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whiteypoker
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:01 am    Post subject: Tradition

Should spouses assume the traditional roles-wife cooks and cleans while the husband works and runs the household-that allowed marriages to last, or should we push towards the two income household that allows a higher standard of living and more individual freedom?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:08 am    Post subject:

Women should do what ever the hell they want.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject:

reaper wrote:
Women should do what ever the hell they want.

Agreed.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:31 am    Post subject:

Yeah I am going with that. I don't think that's what keeps marriages together.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject:

What keeps marraiges together is shared devotion to a common cause. What keeps the shared devotion alive? Sheer strength of will, and a stubborn refusal to quit. Everyone has this quality, some in greater amounts than others, and all are able to draw it out, given the correct set of circumstances. While seperate incomes often serve only to drive a wedge into this common cause, they have their uses, and they do enable a better standard of living. In short, it is the business of the husband and wife how they arrange their monetary and home-making duties, and as long as it all gets done and both agree, and the common cause remains common, the marraige will work. If the common cause is split, a wife being reduced to her "traditional" role will do absolutely nothing to heal it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject:

Hmmm....

I think I'll let someone else make the first male blow on this one...unless it takes too long and then I'll be happy to get the fire started.


But I would like to ask a question on top of this one. Why is it that it is such a big deal for women not to be at home raising the children and cleaning?

Also, what was it like back in the day when the child spent a lot of time with both parents, helping them work from a early age, and does the 2 income family strain the ties of a family with children?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:08 am    Post subject:

*grins* When I can think straight, I'll come up with something a bit more cohesive.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:49 am    Post subject:

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Women should do what ever the hell they want.

Lol...ummm no and no. Thats not a good answer no matter what gender you put in there. I think you realize that but accidentally typed the first thing that came to your head.

Although I would agree that traditional roles are the only thing that keeps marriages together, one cannot deny the statistics. In 1950 for every 100 new marriage there were two divorces, now in 2004 there were 14 (taken from the mens column at census.gov) and people are getting married less-42 percent now as oposed to 32 percent (which includes 14 year olds). I realize it was not shear roles that kept marriages together because other factors too, played a part. But one can't help but wonder.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:47 am    Post subject:

Also to add, Whitey, people are getting married at older ages. I'll find documentation later though I'm actually tired.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject:

look at this topic from my point of view, im 20, my partners 18 (19 in a coulpe of months) we have a 8 month old daughter that was taken into care due to our living conditions when she was born and the fact my partner had major post natal depression and wasnt bonding with our daughter. we thought against social services and now have our own home and our daughter back in our full time care with a fortnightly visit from our social worker to make sure we have no problems and to see if theres anything she can do to make tihngs a litytle easier for us.

due to my partners post natal depression and her slowly bonding with our daughter, and the fact i left full time work in september due to stress caused by the whole situation with our daughter and the fact we was trying to get a house but i could never get the time off work to go to meetings and whatnot and my employers being really crappy about me needing time off to ry and sort all these problems (sheer fact is its agaisnt the law for me not to have time off work for stuff that could regard my daughters care and health!!) we decided that my partner wouild enter part time work so she could get out of the house for a cple of hours a week but still spend time with me and our daughter and i would become a full time dad. this has worked well for us both but we are looking to the future now and hoping to get careers so we can give our family the support it needs, my fiance is going to college in september to train to become a PE teacher and i will go to evening courses to get the qualifications i need to try and enter the web design business.

so in effect, we have taken the reverse to the roles that society has always forced on men and women and are trying to get ourselves into a situation where we both work and support the family. that way neither can be accused of not pulling their weight as happens in family arguments

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