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ScrumYummy
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:19 am    Post subject:

I just gets me that the books have a big flippin' box on the front that says TEEN. And nobody seemed to notice or care.

This was my reply to the topic on the AC:

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OH. MY. GOD. That article is so retarded. You can tell they didn't even read it.

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Local 6 News reported that the comic titled "Peach Girl" is about a young girl drugged by her friends and then set up to be raped.


So totally not. XD

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One of the comics found by Problem Solver Nancy Alvarez featured parents who swap spouses.

"That's swinging and this is a girl no older than my daughter," parent Travis White said.

"Sex, drugs and violence are the themes in this series published by TokyoPop," Alvarez said.



While they are referring to Peach Girl in the above quote, and the article is about Peach Girl, it's very obvious that the actual manga from above is Marmalade Boy.

Another thing about this that strikes me as increasingly retarded is that they are descriminating against the comics because they are Japanese. When "Professor Lipshitz" (let's break that down...Lip-shitz, because he was always talking BS) made appearances on Rugrats, nobody cared. People let their children watch horrendous shows on television and not bat an eyelash. Yet this strange Japanese "manga" thing comes out and they're all over it.

Plus, I agree very much with Kagura's point that they should have noticed that it said ON THE COVER 13+. This whole mess is just bad parenting.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject:

Further wonderfulness regarding manga and libraries. I'll wait for you to read the article, then I've got something strange to say.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/8510.html

Read it? Cool. Now for the double-whammy.

When I was in high school, all those years ago, I remember peeking through the art & art history section of my school "media center" (a library with two computers, and the AV equipment only teachers could use). In said section was a book that for all my recollection I can only believe was on the history of Japanese animation. I remember being interested in the book because I was doing a report on the migration of japanese animation into America (this was 1996, when anime was still this totally new thing). However, the book was unusable. It focused entirely on the adult aspects of anime and manga, just about claimed that manga's role as "irresponsible pictures" meant that it was about expressing fantasies of rape and abuse, and in essence boiled down to JPNESE R PERVS LOL. Funny that this book was considered A-OK by our media center specialist - the same man who decided that a book on nude photography was too racy for high school eyes, and that art books with graphic nudes shouldn't be allowed either.

And to point back to a previous comment I made:

http://home.hiwaay.net/~tfharris/pulpculture/columns/030807.shtml

Behold, the obscenity trial of Jesus Castillo.

In the immortal words of the prosecuting attorney, "Comic books are for kids."

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:22 am    Post subject:

I'm sorry - but this made me giggle:

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Postmus' statement and the local newspaper coverage made much of the fact that the book contains "sex with animals," but we couldn't find it; we must not have looked as hard.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject:

Yunni wrote:
Of course. However I'd assume a library would know what the basic theme their stock has and place them appropriatly - so when a person goes to check-out the book, it would show up on the database what section it's from? These days, I'd assume that wouldn't be hard to do... but ah well.


The answer to that question is no, because checkout interfaces don't care what section the book is from. You'd have to go into the metadata or the MARC record itself to know where it was filed - the catalogue will know, but not the checkout interface, because it's not important.

As for the other article, there may be some tentacle-pr0n in there for all we know, and that could be considered "sex with animals", because, well, there is that Edo period block carving...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:55 pm    Post subject:

That is -really- really crappy Kugyo.
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"This case bodes badly for the First Amendment," said CBLDF Director Charles Brownstein. "(T)he Supreme Court has allowed a precedent to stand that allows a man to be convicted of obscenity charges without adequate proof being presented that the work he is convicted for selling is constitutionally obscene. All because the medium the alleged obscenity was placed in 'is for kids.'


The prosecuter completely took advantage of the Jury in a case that should have been the defense's. It almost makes me sick to know that because people are ignorant of the subject at hand a man went to jail. If I were in that court room, I would have stood up and said "Has anyone in this court room, other than the defendent, ever read a comic book in their life that wasn't about Riverdale punks. Anyone? Anyone at all?"

What kind of an argument is "comic books are for kids lolkthxbye"? I mean you don't even have to stray outside the mainstream to find comic books that appeal for more than just children. Captain America? The X-Men? Batman? The Punisher?? I'm pretty sure I haven't read a comic where The Punisher skipped around with rainbows and held hands with bad guys. More than likely it was stuff like shooting them, stabbing them, pushing them in front of a moving train, incinerating them with a flame thrower or other kinds of "not for kids" stuff. But at the same time it's not just mindless violence because there -is- a political or deeper message behind characters like The Punisher. Of course people are only going to look at the cover or flip through some pages without actually reading said material and declare that it's obscenity, Yea Jack@$$ if you just look at the pictures you can skew anything your way. Which is what bugs me the most because it looks like that's pretty much what happened. They pulled the wool over people's eyes.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject:

Stuff like what that prosecutor said really makes me wish we could do something about what lawyers can and cannot say during closing arguments. As it stands, an attorney is pretty much allowed to testify without being sworn in, without the possibility of being cross-examined, and without scrutiny from the opposing counsel. Even better if you get to make the last statement, because there's absolutely zero chance the other guy can rebut you. To further elaborate on Volfie's "took advantage of the jury" comment, the guy told them to ignore the testimony of an expert witness.

The main theme in all three of these cases is the same: someone is threatened with some sort of draconian action (oversight or jail time) because they ran afoul of a "community standard" that they may not have even known. In the case of the manga (or manga history) in the library, it's just about gotten to book-burning status - a community deciding that it needs to tell its library what exactly it can and cannot have within its walls. In the case of Jesus Castillo, he sold an adult item to an adult who just happened to be out for blood (note that the article specifically identifies the buyer as an undercover police officer). That's the one thing I hate about obscenity laws - they are completely subject ot the whims of each community, so something that is considered commonplace in L.A. could get you an obscenity charge in Salt Lake City. There just seems to be a problem with the rights structure here. I've always believed in the following:

  • Federal law where it does not conflict with a state's right to sovereignty (as provided by the tenth amendment).
  • State's rights where they do not infringe upon personal liberty.
  • Personal liberty as far as it does not infringe upon the liberty of others.


Shouldn't a law that can apply to any citizen of the United States apply to them all equally? Where in the Constitution does it make it a job of the government to protect a community from things it doesn't want to see? I can understand a law like this being different between countries, but allowing such a wide variance in a law within a country just leads to division and ignorance. Those who keep a restrictive hold on what is considered obscene are labeled as prudes, and those who would rather move away from an area than deal with that sort of restriction are labeled as perverts.

Then again, I'll admit that I'm against obscenity laws as a whole because their only argument stems from the slippery slope "think of the children" argument.

ZOMG A CHILD COULD SEE THIS WE MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

Mm-hmm. How about you just don't let little Johnny take a peek in my bookshelves and voila, he won't see all the naughty dirty copies of Ranma 1/2. No one's forcing your kid to see anything. Funny how people talk about "exploited children" when a teen manga contains the silhouette of a breast, yet no one seems to care when those same well-adjusted children are paraded about as "damaged goods" so that their parents can call hellfire down upon the makers of said manga.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:50 am    Post subject:

Silver Adept wrote:
Yunni wrote:
Of course. However I'd assume a library would know what the basic theme their stock has and place them appropriatly - so when a person goes to check-out the book, it would show up on the database what section it's from? These days, I'd assume that wouldn't be hard to do... but ah well.


The answer to that question is no, because checkout interfaces don't care what section the book is from. You'd have to go into the metadata or the MARC record itself to know where it was filed - the catalogue will know, but not the checkout interface, because it's not important.

As for the other article, there may be some tentacle-pr0n in there for all we know, and that could be considered "sex with animals", because, well, there is that Edo period block carving...


Sometimes we even get books in that have the wrong label. Like an adult book will checkout under juvenile. So even if we had the ability for it to show when we check them out to people what its about it may not come up right. As for knowing what theme everything is I have no clue. I mean I know what a good bit of them are but not near all of them. We have one library that processes all the new books for this whole county. Maybe if each library processed their own books there would be a better knowledge of book themes?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject:

~Tsuki~ wrote:
Sometimes we even get books in that have the wrong label. Like an adult book will checkout under juvenile. So even if we had the ability for it to show when we check them out to people what its about it may not come up right. As for knowing what theme everything is I have no clue. I mean I know what a good bit of them are but not near all of them. We have one library that processes all the new books for this whole county. Maybe if each library processed their own books there would be a better knowledge of book themes?


Not really, no. Nowhere in the processing stage does it say taht the librarian has to read each and every book that comes into the library. If that were ar equirement, library collections would stagnate, because there's no way a librarian can read all the books that will be purchased in a year with the acqiusitions budget.
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I wonder, how many American comic books being sold have the same degree of nudity that you might find in Ranma 1/2? Even more so, how many depict sexual situations, even in light and shadow? And how many of those are available on your average comic shop's issue rack for kids to find and read?

We agree with Kugyou that saying "Look what this comic book did to my child! (C'mon, Johnny, more tears for the camera, please...) It must be burnt!" is certainly trying to exploit the child to get your point of view across.

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