Nintendo Wii... Only Next gen console?

kurjohoto the III · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject:

For one I really like the Wii. I think it's graphics are really good. I mean they look good and really that's what matters. For my money Zelda is one of the most beautiful games I've ever played. As for the control. Yes that can be frustrating but once you firgue it out it isn't too bad. Cooking Mama is driving me crazy but I'm sure I'll firgue it out sooner or later. Most of the recipes I can do though with no control problems...some though....Anyways I'm playing Super Paper Mario right now and it is great. Also I love the virtual console as I am now addicted to Zelda Link to the past...again!

Shino · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:41 am Post subject:

Razer... you have a lot of Sony Hate built up it seems. You vent on it a lot.

I own all 3 systems, and I still think that Wii is "NEW" gen, not next gen. As I said... the Wii is something brand new. The 360 and the PS3 moved forward... the Wii moved to the left.

As for your vent, I only have a few things to comment on...

GAAZ · MOD Black Sheep Commander Gender: Joined: 14 Oct 2002

I agree with the Shin-man except I'm not happy I bought a Wii.

Last night I boxed it up and put it away and hooked-up my Dreamcast because I wanted a REAL system to take up my valueable TV system selector slot. Razz

Also I feel Shino nailed Razer on the head. He can't comment on the 360 since he doesn't own one but he CAN comment on the PS3 even though he doesn't own one. Doesn't this DEFINE Fanboy? Or is it that Razer knows that there are many more 360 owners willing to defend their system to the death and Razer feels the need to only take on a challenge when most people here can't defend the challenge?

I dunno, I'm not impressed by the Wii in the least bit and I can't tell you why apparently.

Though I do think Nintendo has the Handheld market pretty much cornered. Mainly because when I play a DS game I have what's the word...Fun? When I play a Wii game I have frustration over the bad control scheme with an inability to adjust it. When I point my Wii-mote strike that EITHER of my Wii-motes at the center of the screen I DEMAND the reticle be in the center of the screen. But unfotunately my reticle is about 2 inches higher than where I aim...Y'know when it actually wants to recognize I'm pointing the Wii-mote at the screen.

Razer · 4934 5157 5662 5658 Gender: Joined: 07 Oct 2002

OK, well the reason I address the PS3 as opposed to the XB family is that I DO plan on probably owning a PS3 when the price drops substantially (or a reconfiguration is enacted). I have no intention on owning an XB unless they get games I like, of which Microsoft owns not one franchise that wins me over. I also read up (because I might get one) on the PS3 while I don't do any research on the XB. As for the retarded Friend/Wii coees, I agree on that. BUT altho you may not like them you have to understand why they work like that. Nintendo is (again) trying to control/restrict possible child access (not the term I want but I can't find the words right now). They are intended to make the games safe. You have to trade your code with someone else's (except in the first instance or random games) first and then you can replay them. Now why you go to all that trouble and them put a web browser in your system, I don';t know. Still I understand their reasoning altho I myself do not exactly love the concept.

As for XB comments, I have friends (Shino included) that own XBs but I personally find not enough in the gaming library to entice me. That in no way will stay my tongue, it's simply that I don't comment on things I don't know about. I have read alot on the PS3 and IGNORING THE PRICE, it's worth it. However since it's not free, the monetary cost must factor in. Once that's done, it's not worth it as a gaming system, I believe. Now if you can't manipulate a controller, that's not the system's fault. If you can't play a game without throwing the controller around, that's not the system's fault. The Wii is a step up in every sense from the Gamecube as far as I've seen (with my small GC library). The GC tried going online but failed miserably for whatever reason. It used proprietary discs, again for control reasons, or else I'm sure it too would have used DVDs. The Wavebird, which Nin didn't make but did buy, was superior to every other wireless controller except maybe Logitech's CAC according to many professional reviews. The system had it's ups and downs.
The Wii has many areas that could use improvements but I don't see any that are just totally non-functional as GAAZ implies. Ironcially the ONLY systems I have boxed are all Nintendo. That's because each one obsoletes itself for my gaming purposes by adding backwards compatibility. I'm on Nintendo primarily for Pokemon and Yugioh. I don't like Mario nor Zelda and their third party support has been lax since the SNES died. Still, when comparing it straight up to a system more than twice the price (which is another valid point), it shows rather favorably IMO. It's like comparing a BMW to a Focus and saying "The BMW is better, the Focus sucks". Cost, whether monetary or otherwise, has to be included in a product's value. I'm sure if the Wii costed $600 it would have a better graphics card, can I get a witness on that at least?

Overall, I'm talking gaming because the three are supposed to be gaming systems. I really don't have Sony hate, if I did I'd be "Sony sucks", "Sony's a doodee head". Shino, you may be the only person I know with all three systems so your opinions are truly valid as long as you lay out on all of them fairly. If you discount my opinions because I don't own a PS3 then that's cool. But then how do we ever determine the value of anything before we buy it? I played the Motorstorm demo and it was cool. Then I got home and read the review that basically said it's great eye candy with no lasting value or depth. I then thought "Well I played it for maybe 10 minutes" and realized the reviewer may have had a point. Apparantly you open up only mirrored versions of the tracks, pallet swapped bodies, and are forced to use certain vehicles on certain tracks to be successful. That and the AI simply crashes into you instead of driving intelligently (similar to GT's way of every driver following the perfect line instead of trying to actually win a race). This is "next gen"? Resistance is supposed to be clearly the cream of the crop (with Dead Rising and Lost Planet from what my friends say) but every system is gonna have one gem. My views are also geared towards all three major companies in that for the "next gen" systems we still have the same crappy AI, framerate problems, and memory concerns on all in some respect. I'd rather you fix those than put a bigger HD in or use a new medium. Blu Ray gives you space but it's like saying "ice cream" is better than "i c e c r e a m". All they do is skip the code crunching and program efficiencies that would be required with a smaller medium. I can't believe that Resistance wouldn't fit on a dual layer DVD tho it may have to drop a feature or two. 40 players online laglessly is awesome...but what if you're like me and don't really love FPS games? Believe it or not, there are a ton of players who do not play shooters. I only play when friends come over and have little inclination to hop online and play with strangers. It's more for the comraderie than the game there. However I'll probably be online 4-5 days a week with Pokemon Battle Rev and Heaven help us all if Nin ever wises up and creates a MMO version of Pokemon. I would be online with Yugioh also except that card games, tho I love them, deteriorate too quickly in terms of fair play for me.

Let's also remember that I am a die hard Sega Fan so in my blood it still hurts to champion any Nintendo cause (I say as I lay my DS Lite down in front of my Wii and put my GBA in the charger). Embarassed

Enough rant. System sleep mode enabled.

Terin · Huzzah! Gender: Joined: 27 Oct 2003

OK, I've read through all this and here's my two cents.

1st of all, You can make the perfect game system, if nothing but crap games get released for it, it's going to tank. Period.

With that said, I have limited time spent with the Wii, I've only played it at GAAZ's place and at Casa del Shino's. It's a fantastic party game system. I tried Red Steel. I hated it. I tried Trauma Center. It was traumatizing. ^_^ I watched GAAZ play Zelda. It looked like the GC version. The only thing I loved was WiiSports, and unless someone else was there I only would play a few matches of Tennis.

Let's get graphics out of the way. Like it or not, graphics play a pivitol role in videogames today. If they didn't then M$ and Sony wouldn't put so much into increasing them. I didn't mention big N because they've slimmed down a GC, put an OS in it, and gave it a peripheral. Some might argue that the system was just released and over time the graphics will improve and catch up, but name for me 1 exclusive GC game that looks as good as Halo 2 or GoWII. It's not that GC didn't reach it's potential, that's exactly what happened, it did. On the graphics side of the house, the PS2/XBOX surpassed it. Leaps and bounds. They started out surpassing it. Graphically it was never a race. So Nintendo didn't focus on graphics, that's fine, but that means that they lost in that department, and like it or not, it IS a factor with Joe Gamer. The fact that new gamers don't look twice at 8/16-bit games that we old-schoolers cherish is proof of that. So deal with it.

Price. Quite simply, you get what you pay for. You wanna only play games on your console, the Wii does that, and that's all you pay for. You want to watch movies in HD too? Then pony up a little extra, and pick up a 360 or a PS3. Price-wise, the Wii should be a lower price. Nintendo knows this, and that's why the Wii was cheaper.

Additional features. The ability to play movies are, like graphics, a factor. You don't have to like it, but you can't deny it. The PS2 appealed to mixed households of gamers and non-gamers due to the fact that it played DVDs. Same with the XBOX. I've never owned a stand-alone DVD player. It's always been pretty convenient to get the system and the player at once.

So what if the PS3 to some isn't "new". It doesn't have to be. The PS2 was nothing to sneeze at and I for one am happy that Sony took that base and built upon it. It's smart, it's safe. They're making the PBJ with the ingredients that people are used to, PB and J. I do applaud Nintendo for taking the risk and we'll see if it pays off..

To say that one system is better than the other this early is indeed revealing yourself to be a fanboy. Like I said before, it's not the system that makes gaming fun, it's the games.

Bottom line, if a game's mechanics suck, such as the AI in GT4 or Motorstorm, then guess what? That's an issue with the company that made the game, and reflects in no way on the system itself. Not unless the system is forcing the game to not be played as intended.

I'm not a fanboy of Sony, nor of M$ or Nintendo. I adore my DS, but I love my PS2 as well. XBOX's library of games never impressed me (with the exception of Viva Pinata, that game is teh bomb!) The only way that I can see to truly match systems is to play a game that has been released on all three systems on all three systems. Unfortunately, The only game (I know of) right now that does that is Marvel UA, and who the hell wants to play that at all? *snicker*
-T

GAAZ · MOD Black Sheep Commander Gender: Joined: 14 Oct 2002

Terin · Huzzah! Gender: Joined: 27 Oct 2003

with a cinder block?
-T

GAAZ · MOD Black Sheep Commander Gender: Joined: 14 Oct 2002

Oddly enough with a Wii-mote.

But about halfway through playing it I did give up doing the motions and started to just select the powers.

Razer · 4934 5157 5662 5658 Gender: Joined: 07 Oct 2002

The only point I'll address here is this:

Shino · Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:53 am Post subject:

I do appreciate that everyone is keeping this civil... thank you.