The Peterson Case and Abortion Rights

Excel Zero · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject:

must be different here

We had a couple weeks of Sex Ed and they discussed all of it. Psychological and Physiological.

See for all these political and religious debates I have this answer.

People waste wa too much time arguing about these things such as abortion (to stay somewhat on topic) But what have we done other than irritate each other? Not much in my count. Please really think about what I am about to say for a moment.

"If we left certain things alone, life would be much easier on alot of people"

Nobody is going to please everyone all the time and it's 100% useless to try. Why would we ever want to control people's lives? Ever??? Lemme take this to abortion. For those of you who do believe that abortion should be banned, (whether you think there should be excepions or not) why do you want to make decisions for others? For those who believe in ideas such as Christianity, Catholicism, or any religion that holds the idea that abortion is murder and thus is wrong, let God sort those people out. Yes I agree the numbers for Rape and health concerns are low but nobody in this world can know or even remotely understand what is going on in the lives of the people getting these abortions. There could be some amazing circumstnces that no matter how bad our lives are, we don't get what they are going through. Does that make them right? I dunno, and that's just the point. I DON'T KNOW. No matter how much those people I took to or from abortion clinics in the ambulance tried to exlain things to me, I can't possibly comprehend them or their situations no matter how intuitive I am.

No mater what my religion says, it does not make it right or true for others. This country is not Christian, Catholic, Pagan, Bhuddist, Shinto, Muslim or anything. If it was, then I guarantee I would be forced to go every week in the Air Force. But it isn't and it never will be. If you ask me I say "Phew" I don't ever wan to live in a place that says I can't do somethings because the Lord says I can't.

Now before anyone backlashes and says something to the effect of "Ok then in my system I can murder legally", Please don't go there. All I am getting at is just because some people say abortion is murder does not make it true. And just because some people say abortion isn't murder, that doesn't make that true either.

Maybe if we all take a deep breath and relax and stop fretting over every thing that comes across the table, we may actually get things done. Blacks and Women earned the right to vote because they weren't arguing and debating over all the other things in life. They had a goal and fought tooth and nail and won.

Instead of bixkering let's get out and actually do something.

Simply put
If you believe that abortion is wrong, form a protest, make a vote happen, write people, spread your cause safely and legally

If you think abortion should be the choice of the woman, same thing. Protest, vote, write whatever you have to.

phew...now my wrist hurts

anywhoo...love ya'll

Graillik Tur · Renaissancetaku Gender: Joined: 09 Jul 2004

But who gets to make the decision for the child. As a member of a broken home, I understand that as a child you don't really have much control over your life. I can't imagine being unknown to the world, but it's such a waste to abort a life. It's just sad.

Blues · High Lord Mescaline Gender: Joined: 03 Oct 2004

The problem with that is that the groups who consider abortion wrong in this nation are predominately Christian. Even if abortion WAS murder(Which I don't believe, but for the sake of argument let's assume it is), outlawing it would show favor to the Christian faith. That is, we would be showing preference to THEIR views over the views of other faiths, in a nation that is supposed to have complete freedom of religion.

Not only that, but legislating from a religious standpoint violates the constitution, the whole "the government shall establish no religion" thing. Making laws on the basis of one faith's doctrine falls under that category.

The ultimate problem here is one of choice. I personally feel that up until third-term pregnancy, when the child develops a brain and nervous system, that abortion is fine, but ONLY if you lack the financial ability to take care of the child. Before third-term, it is merely part of the mother's body. Past third-term, however, the baby has a fully-developed nervous system, and killing it then IS murder, pure and simple.

KenseiKurisuchan · Alive and kicking Gender: Joined: 17 Mar 2003

Zzyxx · *bursts into flame* Gender: Joined: 30 Sep 2004

Ok first off:

Aradia · Teh Creator of Cute Gender: Joined: 16 Jul 2004

ok, i'm gonna go out on a limb for a second. technically, abortion is murder. but so is the pill and any other form of birth control thats not external. these contraceptives such as the pill/shot/etc. do not prevent fertilization, they prevent implantation. so therefore, if the egg has been fertilized, it is living. the contraceptive prevents it from implanting onto the wall of the uterus. it flushes out with the next cycle. boom. murder. way premature, but still murder. now for sex ed. i'm not sure about any other state, but in texas, they only do abstenance only sex ed. thats it. and its not realistic to think that kids arent having sex because we told them not to. i remember being in class and having someone from the local pregnancy center come telling me that sex is bad. i immediately called her a liar. she has 2 kids, so sex must not be too horrible. its the consenquences that are bad. at any age/maturity/religion. anything. and just so no one gets the wrong idea....i'm not pro-life, i'm not pro-choice, i'm PRO-EDUCATION.

whiteypoker · Junior Otaku Gender: Joined: 30 Nov 2004

I agree with blues about the third trimester standard for life. If one is to claim that a zygote or blastocyst is "life" then brushing your teeth should be a prosecutable offense because you're wipeing out millions of cheek cells, some of which are T-cells (the cells capable of forming any type of tissue in the body, aka, the same family of cells that the zygote is made of). Biologically it would be hard to argue for life begining at conception. At any rate.

Excel is on the right track. Zzyxx, you have to put yourself in somebody else's shoes. What if their came a law or social stigma tommorow that prohibited anti-abortion values. What if you could be prosecuted for such a belief and people stood out side your door with signs? You wouldn't like them imposing their beliefs on you at that point. You wouldn't want them to prohibit online gaming simply because "they" don't do it or see its worth. Its ok to believe and noble to take on a cause. In general though, (not aiming at zzyxx, but to the general populus) it is not right to stand on a podium and dictate rightness or wrongness because of personal beliefs. In order to maintain freedom and tolerance for other customs, we have to be open and willing to tread close to the edge of our personal comfort zone.

If you want something worse than abortion, read about the Church of Christ, Scientists. Though they have some horrible cases, it is their faith, and we should tolerate it to protect us in those times when we our customs are in need of tolleration.

Shocked

KenseiKurisuchan · Alive and kicking Gender: Joined: 17 Mar 2003

The Church of Christ Scientists found a dinosaur in Africa! They must be right!

Doot · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject:

This thread just got a present.