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Kiyomi
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:27 pm    Post subject:

That is the big difference. You are a character that is based off a real person that is murdering a REAL person; a real scenario. It is not some character that has no real base in reality. The character is modelled completely after JFK. How would you like it if a video game came out about one of your family members (that you like, and I say that because someone is going to be smart and say "Oh, I wish it would happen to so-and-so because I don't like him/her anyway"...either that or I have just lived with Excel too long and am starting to get paranoid about people being smart mouths) being singled out and murdered? Even if it was truly for educational purposes? I bet it would bring up some very nasty memories/images for you, enrage you, and make you very upset with the game's creator.

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Zane
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:30 pm    Post subject:

The thing is this has already come out on all sorts of media, like mentioned. We all talk about how video games aren't taken seriously and wish they were. Well, this it. If this game is done well, it could be what we've been asking for. And yes, I agree, I would be upset if someone made a game about the death of one of my family members, but it greatly depends on how it is done.

On a sidenote, you are right Reaper. I am not old enough to fully grasp all the concepts that are involved in this debate, but I have the right to voice my opinion and I've always believed in the good of humanity and that everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:59 pm    Post subject:

The thing it really comes down to is its kind of a taboo in our culture. If they had waited until the immediate family was dead and gone it would probably not even raise a stir. But releasing it while there are still alive, and I am sure this event is still raw in their memory, does not show allot of tact. And having not played it that’s all I can say.

And I wasn’t trying to silence you or anything Zane heh. It’s just as you get older and start to take an interest in world events and such you tend to grow a little cynical of things. Because for every good thing you learn you learn 10 things that are horrible. Freedom of speech though man.

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Excel Zero
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:32 pm    Post subject:

psssh I am 25 and world interests are failing to keep my notice anymore :-p

but onto the topic at hand...the game. Once again here comes mr unpopular opinion but I don't get the huge deal honestly. Is it in bad taste? yeah I can admit that, but I honestly don't see the huge difference in this game and something like GTA. In that game it is perfectly easy for me to wipeout a gang of nasty gang members as it is for me to pull out my sniper rifle and pick off the old lady in the game or the female college student that walks the streets of GTA. Now I am not saying I am really right in the mind to be playing either game but I think people need to look at it for what it is. Educational. Kinda stupid, but then again so is GTA. Hell all I do in that game is do a few missions the get guns and start wiping people out for no reason. (My typical excuse as Kiyomi will tell you is that "He looked at me wrong") Anywhoo....off I go to my own world again Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:50 pm    Post subject:

Excel Zero wrote:
I honestly don't see the huge difference in this game and something like GTA. In that game it is perfectly easy for me to wipeout a gang of nasty gang members as it is for me to pull out my sniper rifle and pick off the old lady in the game or the female college student that walks the streets of GTA.

The difference IMO is that the random gang members and old lady are just that. Random. They are faceless Npcs that do not exist in real life. JFK is someone real who was assasinated. IMO comparing sniping gang members that dont exist to JFK who did exist is what makes the difference. Nobody is going to get offended when you shoot the gang members because they aren't real (those specific ones I mean). Whether it's educational or not isn't really the deal here, it's the fact that you are killing someone real who existed.

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Zane
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:56 pm    Post subject:

Ok, so they're random, faceless, NPCs who represent people in real life. They might not have names, but they still are based off of real people. So just because they don't have names makes it ok to kill them? Now, once again, don't take it as a way of saying that assassinating JFK is in any way acceptable. The thing is you're condoning killing people as long as they're faceless, generic, soulless, and random. All this game appears to be doing is showing you a different perspective of that fateful day. All of you can say it's wrong to do this and some can say that it is an interesting idea, but we can't really pass clear, decisive judgement on this game until we play it.

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Ultrawolf
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:10 pm    Post subject:

Zane wrote:
Ok, so they're random, faceless, NPCs who represent people in real life. They might not have names, but they still are based off of real people. So just because they don't have names makes it ok to kill them?

I never said it was OK. I said that it would not offend anyone if those faceless Goombahs died. Maybe I'm not explaining it right. My opinion is that this game is about killing a person who actually lived. Those Goombahs were never alive. They don't have family who mourns their death.

I dunno, I think it's just bad taste. I understand they intended it to be educational but I don't understand the basis for the "other mediums" arguement. Videos and Books don't put you in the role of JFK's Assasin.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject:

Sorry Ultra, I never meant it to say that you thought it was ok, just a misunderstanding. I apologize.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:49 pm    Post subject:

Eh, Don't apologize.
It's my fault. I didn't explain it right. ^^
*nod nod*
On another note:
I wonder what the developers thought when they made the game. I mean i know they said it was for educational purposes. But didn't they think that someone might be offended?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:17 am    Post subject:

Hopefully they did because if it not it won't say much for the game. They probably knew it would cause controversy just not how much or how severe. So far, I've only heard mention of this game through here so we'll know in the coming weeks how big this game is gonna big.

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