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[ScrumYummy]

[Yunni]

Yes - what I was trying to say ^_^;
Listen to BWS-1 and ScrummyYummy :3

And now here's a simple list of my thought-patterns

Being sexy - is not wrong.
Liking people being sexy - is not wrong.
Girls liking being sexy - is not wrong.
Girls liking girls being sexy - is not wrong.
Girls liking guys being sexy - is not wrong.

Female game characters showing emotion - is not weak.
Female game characters asking for help - is not bad.
Male game characters helping female character - is not wrong *although cliche*

Cliche isn't wrong - (but its a little over-done in somecases ^^


Female characters who feel confident about their appearence - is not wrong.
Female characters who feel powerful because of their sexuality - is not wrong.
Big boobs - are not wrong (and I find female game characters in beat-um-up games, who can fight like that with those, very funny).
Men and women liking this - is not a bad thing.


What is annoying, is that people associate big boobs with being dumb and easy. With being confident and wearing what you find fun and comfortable, whorish and wrong ~~ although granted, there is a limit ;; .

Times are changing - people's views and oppinons on these sorts of topics are changing. Nothing wrong with sexy things - what IS important is how it is shown and gone about and expressed.

Showing a weak, dumb scantly clad, barbie 'sex-bot' --- is extremely insulting.

Showing a healthy, strong, confident, kick-ass woman, who has her own mind, makes her own choices and wears what SHE wants, and is intelligent - is groovy :3

And you know what?
It works both ways.

Don't forget the men - they've shown their fair share of skin too. I bet there are plently of men out there who hate seeing males portrayed as huge, muscular ego-engines.



In closure to my ramblings - Yes, in a lot of games; women are dressed and designed to be rather big-chested with 'interresting' fashion sense. But if you look at the character *mostly in story driven games* and watch and pay attention to character development in the game.... most of the time the character itself is actually strong.

If a girl gamer doesn't like a game - she won't buy it and the game makers lose out. Not the otherway around.

[Graillik Tur]

Ah a man of reason. Find the middle ground in any argument and you have better footing.

Let's relate the gaming industry with the sports industry. Look at both and you'll see many similarities. Look at how both are run, what there demographics are, who they cater too.

And don't forget there are many games aimed towards females, it's just that most males are the 'techie' nerd enjoying gaming systems.

Although one of my cutest friends here stays up in her room all weekend and plays video games...so hot.

Anyway, there is no set rule or example, just stereotypes, that come from averages...so be it.

[Satine]

I agree with the basic premise of Riva's argument. Most video game girls could use a little more clothing and some more 'average' features. But it does work both ways. Video game men are idealized and molded into the "perfect" guy/warrior/whatever.
However, there is a reason to worry. When people see sexually appealing images and violence in close succession, they learn to associate sex with violence. Rates of domestic violence and rape will rise. I'm not saying that this will necessarily happen, or that all gamers will associate sex with violence, but it could.
Scientists did a study where they showed men images of porn and images of shoes one after another. After awhile, the men were turned on by the images of shoes alone. Once again, I'm not saying that this happened to every study subject, but it did happen to a majority. Association is a very strong psychological force, and it can be difficult to break existing associations.
And I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any violence in videogames. I do think that when there's also sexual content (e.g. scantily clad busty women or half-naked men) that there should be some time between that content and the violent content.

[Yunni]

That's a very good point you have raised. And I can see how that could happen. So is it a case of efficiant censorship certification on games, or controling what goes into a game full stop? Do new rules of design have to be implimented - if sexual content and violence in games, cause a resulting bad association?

Saying that, it isn't just games, though is it? Its movies, tv series, comics, animation.... most media in fact. Why just games? Why not the full works, eh??

The thing is though sadly, its industry / popularity / profit against what is argued here. Companies are going to dish out what the consumer wants. For change to happen - the consumer has to say they don't like it anymore and not buy. However, a sneaky buisnessman will know how to make the consumer think it is actually them who are dependent on the product.

Making people more aware is a good start, but is it the case of men treating women badly because of a computer game? Or is it simply the case of a number of people not liking what they see?

[Girkon]

[shadokastur]

[Yunni]

[Satine]

Yunni, I completely agree with you. (Don't have any answers to your questions though.) It's not just games--it's everything. Movies, TV, music...media in general. And there's not really a way to do anything about it. I don't like censorship in any way, shape, or form. The rating system used now works well enough when people actually pay attention to the ratings and play/buy age-appropriate games.
I think people do need to be more aware. And a man won't treat a woman badly (or a woman treat a man badly) solely because of a video game--there are a bazillion other factors that could make a person that way. Girkon is right: what is taught and accepted within a family is the main one. We need to educate, not censor.

[Graillik Tur]

All that shows is the brains ability to link to things together. And your talking about porn and shoes, not violence and scantaly clad women.

Plus, sex and violence go hand in hand, it has nothing to do with video games, it has to do with genetics.