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Tobias
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 Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject: |
pakestan clams...wow...just wow.
As for my argument on the existance of right and wrong...it can be tied into my essay that i posted in Wandering words. Right and Wrong is similar to Words...they mean different things by different people. as i made the example: I can say to someone "I hope that everything you ever love dies in your arms," and mean it with full intent...but at the same time, doing that to someone who is deaf, or just doesnt understand the words coming from my mouth, or even someone who percieves differently from myself is not going to care, since they dont understand my logic.
Its just logic chopping, for the most part. I can say that im right, much like my older sibling hath done(view Ming's rantings and ravings), but similarly, i can say that im wrong. In fact, my theory on words as described in that essay can be proven to make my own essay, and thusly my idea of what right and wrong completely false, due to the fact that my logic circulates completely around, and that i think that the idea that Right and Wrong being Right and Wrong is RIGHT in my opinion. Thusly, my dear friend who can be sitting across from me may say: "But i think thats wrong" It proves the point, but at the same time, im proving my own logic wrong due to the fact that its a claim of righteousness.
Wow...i think im gonna-- *explodes* |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
Nothing can be proven because to do so would mean to prove that it will happen one hundred percent of the time. Things however can be disproven because it only takes one instance where the event does not occur for it to be disproven. You can extend this logically over a variety of topics from morality to science. For instance if I say, "When I flip the light switch the lights will come on." most of us would accept that to be true if the circumstances suggest (power to switch, no shorts, ect). However, all it takes is one instance where the lights don't come on to disprove the notion.
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If something cannot be proven or disproven, it's up in the air and is therefore a matter of belief.
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Well it is theoretically possible to disprove God's existance, therefore I posed the question to you, "Why do you believe..." Why do you believe if you can disprove. Under your model one would only believe if one cannot disprove or prove.
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How do you know from your limited self imposed view of "truth" that it therefore affects everybody else? If you're saying that one can only know personal truth, how do you know what the truth is of everybody else? How do you know that this mechinism applys to all other entities? How is it possible that you and I go into a forest and see a tree standing in front of us, that we both agree that the tree is there? If truth is purely personal, it would seem that we would not share this experience.
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Interesting answer about rightness and wrongness being likened to words...Thats one I don't see often.
However, likening words to morality in the sense that people vary in their understanding of it, I again pose the question, "If morality varies so much and there are no solid foundations in the term, how are we to judge those who commit seemingly immoral acts?" |
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Tobias
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:37 pm Post subject: |
| Quote: | | However, likening words to morality in the sense that people vary in their understanding of it, I again pose the question, "If morality varies so much and there are no solid foundations in the term, how are we to judge those who commit seemingly immoral acts?" |
Pretty much, you cant. As i stated above...in my own theory, i prove myself wrong. We technically cannot prove that they are wrong. As a polis, we may determine that we are right, due to the fact that we like something, yet on the other hand, the commiter of that injustice may be part of a completely different polis that believes that what he or she does is right. Its a matter of opinions. The right and the wrong are just words we put to our own opinions.
| Quote: | | Well it is theoretically possible to disprove God's existance, therefore I posed the question to you, "Why do you believe..." Why do you believe if you can disprove. Under your model one would only believe if one cannot disprove or prove. |
To answer that question: Why do we believe. It seems simple enough, but at the same time, its very complex. But to look at it, almost at an Aristotelian way: It is what we do. As people, our function is to do good, and sometimes, that good takes place in believing in something. All we can say is that if the end result is happiness are virtuous deeds are done, then our function is fulfilled. At the same time, though, i pose my prompt again...how do we know what is right from wrong? All we have is what the polis throws at us.
Damn...i love circular logic! It confuses even me! |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject: |
| Tobias wrote: | | Right and Wrong is similar to Words...they mean different things by different people. |
Words are no more important than the chirping of chickens...according to Chuang Tzu of course.
I don't know if it's relevant because I was too lazy to read everything...but I figured I would throw a little of the East into the West. |
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Tobias
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:54 pm Post subject: |
and as God put it(though im going to put it slightly differently): "Man's tounge is even more dangerous than the steel of swords."
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