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Blackmage
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 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:10 am Post subject: |
I think a fully equipt fleet of defaint class ships could probibly take out the emperial fleet or even the repulic fleet.
The could jump in at warp speed fire off volleys of photon torpeedoes and take the SW ships completely off gaurd. |
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Ultrawolf
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
| Blackmage wrote: | I think a fully equipt fleet of defaint class ships could probibly take out the emperial fleet or even the repulic fleet.
The could jump in at warp speed fire off volleys of photon torpeedoes and take the SW ships completely off gaurd. |
You could probably say the same thing the other way around though. Jump in, guerilla tactics and jump out.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
Oh . . . my . . . god, the amount of overwhelming useless facts and (sorry!) geekiness is incredible. I have so much respect for you guys, although I'm not sure what kind, but here's my two cents.
Well, I don't know much about Star Trek and I've only seen the Star Wars movies, but Trek had William Shatner and he's pretty cool. The originial Star Wars could probably kick Trek's ass, but the new Wars would get their ass handed to 'em by Trek. Why? Because the original Wars had a cult following, while the new Wars upset said following. |
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Ultrawolf
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
| Zane wrote: | | Oh . . . my . . . god, the amount of overwhelming useless facts and (sorry!) geekiness is incredible. I have so much respect for you guys, although I'm not sure what kind, but here's my two cents. |
Hey, a good book is a good book. To be Fair and Honest I've read Two Star Wars Books total: Shadows of the Empire, and Heir to the Empire.
Good Books, if reading two books makes me a Geek than...
*puts glasses on*
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Shandriz
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
See, Kurry, you made that work the only way you could-- by using the weakest Star Trek series to your advantage.
You put Han Solo against Captain Sisko, and he'd get pwned.
You put Padme up against B'Elanna Torres, and she'd be crying for her mommy.
You put Boba Fett up against any Ferengi, and they'll have convinced him to take his own life and pay them for it in five seconds flat.
Star Trek: The Original Series was lame. The only things it had going for it were Bones, Scotty, and Spock, and they were all outweighed by the retardation that was Captain Kirk.
Next time, try a fair fight.
Oh yeah, and Star Trek wins. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:05 am Post subject: Re: The right answer |
[geekiness]
I am going to have to agree with Shanny-chan on this one.
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | | Bringing Q into the equation is a little unfair , I mean the guy has god like powers, and who is to say that Q would help out the Trek side anyways? Q is one of my favorite Trek people but he is not exactly helpful so if this war did come he might just sit back and watch. So let's take him out. Besides what are we talking about here? A straight out war or a one-on-one fight? For this post we will do it as a series of one-on-one fights. We will look at seven possible fights and though that we will determine a winner. |
The fight was Star Trek vs Star Wars. Doesn't matter who takes sides. It's just saying that for every character in Star Wars, there is someone in Star Trek that could Pwn them!
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | Fight one
Battle of the Robots
C3-PO Vs. Data
Winner: Data
Star Trek:1 Star Wars:0 |
Agreed.
Trek 1
Wars 0
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | Fight two
Battle of the Captains
Winner: Solo
Star Trek 1 Star Wars 1 |
Kirk is a wus! Always has been, always will be. There are several Captians you could have chosen from. Hell... Janeway could kick Kirk's butt. I don't think Solo has anything on Picard as far as a quality captian is concerned. However. There is now way in hell that Solo would ever best Sisco in ANYTHING! Sisco was the proven Emisary of the Prophets. Not to mention he could kick a Jem'hadar's ass in Hand to hand combat. Something that Many Klingons could not do. Including General Martok! Worf on the other hand, kicked Jem'hadar ass with broken ribs and everything... so yeah.
Trek 2
Wars 0
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | Fight three
Battle of the gurus
Yoda Vs. Spock
Winner: Spock
Star Trek: 2 Star Wars: 1 |
hahaha... interesting way of putting it. Yoda is the only Wars character that is actually a worry. And where I disagree that Spock could take him, this is the one time I would bring Q into it. And we know there's no match there.
Trek 3
Wars 0
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | Fight four
Battle of heros arch rivals
Darth Vader Vs. Khan Noonien Singh
Winner: Darth Vader
Star Trek 2 Star Wars 2 |
Ummm... why Khan. I man that showed up in one movie + one episode vs the Dark Lord of the Empire. Ummm yeah. Unbalanced much? You wanna put Dark Lord against Dark Lord, put him up against the queen of the Borg. Now, this is a interesting fight. Vader would get frustrated since by the time he got through all the drones to get to the queen, she would have already "adapted" to the lightsaber and it would do no damage.
The Dark Lord would have to rely on things like moving big objects and force lightning. The lightning would hit at first but quickly get adapted too.It's hard to play this one out. But, if panzy ass Luke could handle the flying objects, the Queen of the Borg can.
Trek 4
Wars 0
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | Battle five
Battle of the brutes
Worf Vs. Chewbacca
Winner: Worf
Star Trek:3 Star Wars: 2 |
No argument there.
Trek 5
Wars 0
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | Battle six
Battle of the criminals
Boba Fett Vs. Harcourt Fenton Mudd (Better known as Harry Mudd)
Winner: Boba Fett
Star Trek:3 Star Wars:3 |
No argument there.
Trek 5
Wars 1
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | It all comes down to the final battle who didn’t see this one coming?
Battle seven
The Battle of the ladies
Seven of Nine Vs. Padmé Amidala
Winner: Padmé Amidala
Star Trek 3 Star Wars: 4 |
First off... where in the hell did you get the idea that Padme would beat Seven. Ok, Padme may have been tough in EII, but I lost MOST of my respect for her when she became the whiny lovey dovey baby in EIII. Not to mention "Oh know, my husband is evil. I no longer have the will to live." What's up with that crap. Get over it and move on. You mean to tell me that giving life to two children wasn't enough for you to find the will to live. Padme lost this battle b/c she became whiny. Not to mention... let's think of other chicks that would kick Padme's but.
Judzia Dax is the first one that comes to mind for me. With 7 lifetimes of battle memories, I'm sure Judzia would kick Padme's butt. Not to mention B'Elanna Torres like Shan said. Half Klingon. Or how about T'pal from "Enterprise." Probably the ONLY thing I would pull from Enterprise. Well maybe not the only thing. Archer could kick Solo's ass... but yeah that Vulcan chick kicks some major butt. Sorry, battle of the women goes to Trek hands down.
Trek 6
Wars 1
| kurjohoto the III wrote: | Final Winner :Star Wars 4 to 3
There you have scientific proof in a series of one on one battles that Star Wars edge out those Treekies. Now let the hate mail begin! |
Final Winner by a landslide. Trek!
Sorry Kurry.
| Zane wrote: | Oh . . . my . . . god, the amount of overwhelming useless facts and (sorry!) geekiness is incredible. I have so much respect for you guys, although I'm not sure what kind, but here's my two cents.
Well, I don't know much about Star Trek and I've only seen the Star Wars movies, but Trek had William Shatner and he's pretty cool. The originial Star Wars could probably kick Trek's ass, but the new Wars would get their ass handed to 'em by Trek. Why? Because the original Wars had a cult following, while the new Wars upset said following. |
I'm a huge fan of ALL OF THE MOVIES. Why, b/c I didn't expect to see the World on a silver platter when going to the movies. I wanted to be entertained... and I was... very much so!
Still though... Trek Wins! If you have kept up with Trek past the original episodes, you would be pretty impressed.
DS9 is especially interesting when you see battles of literally thousands of ships due to the "War with the Dominion." And the coolest thing about these battles is that there are ships from 5 different races. Klingon, Romulan, Federation, Cardasian, and Dominion. It's really cool stuff.
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Blackmage
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:57 am Post subject: |
| Ultrawolf wrote: | | Blackmage wrote: | I think a fully equipt fleet of defaint class ships could probibly take out the emperial fleet or even the repulic fleet.
The could jump in at warp speed fire off volleys of photon torpeedoes and take the SW ships completely off gaurd. |
You could probably say the same thing the other way around though. Jump in, guerilla tactics and jump out.
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Yeah but warps a lot more controllable than lightspeed, no precoordinates etc. |
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Daijaga
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
Shino = Trek Fanboy.
Prop to Trek for stealth technology, thats a nice upper hand, but I really think that Wars has a very serious advantage in a small arms department - by that I mean one man fighters. Now before I lay my head on the choping block for Mr. Shino of Nine to cut off, I dont know anything about star trek manned fighters. Its that very fact that leads me to believethe Wars' one manners are likly more effective and more maneuverable just one heresay.
The battle ships are kind of a different story though. First off we need facts, not heresay.
Imperial Class Star Destroyer
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*1600m Long
*At least 37,000 officers and crew.
*Counting the stormtrooper complement would total 46,700
*Each ship carried a wing of 72 Imperial TIE starfighters, generally 48 TIE fighters, 12 TIE interceptors, and 12 TIE bombers.
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Galaxy Class Starship
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Height: 195.26 m
Length: 642.51 m
Beam: 463.73 m
Accommodation: 1,012 standard; 15,000 limit
Weaponry: 11 type-ten phaser arrays...2 photon torpedo launchers
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The above mentioned Galaxy Class Starship is the standard class of star trek ship we're accustomed to, like Pecard's ride. If Jean'Luc had a bumper sticker on the Enterprise, though, it would have read, "My other starship is a Ambassitor." Unfortunatly, the technical aspects of that beast are unavailable to my initial research.
Still, as we can see here, the fight is ridiculously one sided. A Galaxy Classed Starship doesnt even posses the fire power to take down half a Imperial class destroyer, whose main purpose is a mobile war base. Regardless of the specs of an ambassitor, Im feel confident a Victory class star destroyer (see above SW link) would send its ass 5 stardates into the future.
Of course Trek winers like Shino will aregue that there are other races. Researchers like Daijaga are here to quell the myth and reveal the facts of other sucky Trek technology.
Borg Cube - Technical aspects were not available to my research, below are some snippets of information I collected from several places on the web:
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*a borg cube is big enough to hold all five enterprises
*a borg cube is 28 cubic kilometers
*The Borg have installed a series of transwarp conduits which permeate the galaxy. From their native Delta Quadrant they are able to make rapid jumps covering great distances, and travel times can be hundreds of times faster than their maximum warp.
*FLEET SIZE 29085 ships
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Make your own clucutions from this, but be warned, from the technical standpoint, Lucas is up by one on Roddenberry in my book.
Also, if you thought we were the first peopel to think of this, Huzzah! think again. http://www.electricferret.com/fights/darkstars.htm form which I draw this interesting quote:
| Daki wrote: | | There is one major weakness the Borg would have if they attacked the Death Star... Darth Vader. Since the Borg share a common "hive" mind, Darth Vader could use his Sith Mind Control powers to "influence" their thinking. With a single thought, Vader could have all those Borg ripping each other to pieces. No contest here boys and girls. Trekkers should stay out of Star Wars space. |
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Shino
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:27 am Post subject: |
| Daijaga wrote: | | Shino = Trek Fanboy. |
I will first address the fact that I love both. As a matter of fact... her is a conversation I had with Kurry about 5 mins ago...
thesock777: maybe but who is to say
thesock777: the arugeument is really pointless
thesock777: because fans of one side will ALWAYS find a reason why their side would win
Darth Shino: well
Darth Shino: see that's why I'm making the argument
Darth Shino: b/c I'm an equal fan of both sides
thesock777: me too
Darth Shino: haha
thesock777: acatally I am probelley a little more on the side of Star Wars
Darth Shino: yeah I'm pretty much dead even
Darth Shino: I would watch a star wars movie over a star trek movie anyday though
| Daijaga wrote: | | Prop to Trek for stealth technology, thats a nice upper hand, but I really think that Wars has a very serious advantage in a small arms department - by that I mean one man fighters. Now before I lay my head on the choping block for Mr. Shino of Nine to cut off, I dont know anything about star trek manned fighters. Its that very fact that leads me to believethe Wars' one manners are likly more effective and more maneuverable just one heresay. |
One man fighters will be a toss up really. I would say Trek over Wars only b/c of a technology standpoint. I have seen the way they use their fighters in DS9 during the War with the Dominion. The move just as well if not better than Tie fighters. And they have the shielding power of an Xwing if not better. Not to mention the Defiant class ships can move like a fighter, but have the shields and weapons of a starship.
| Daijaga wrote: | The battle ships are kind of a different story though. First off we need facts, not heresay.
Imperial Class Star Destroyer
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*1600m Long
*At least 37,000 officers and crew.
*Counting the stormtrooper complement would total 46,700
*Each ship carried a wing of 72 Imperial TIE starfighters, generally 48 TIE fighters, 12 TIE interceptors, and 12 TIE bombers.
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Galaxy Class Starship
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Height: 195.26 m
Length: 642.51 m
Beam: 463.73 m
Accommodation: 1,012 standard; 15,000 limit
Weaponry: 11 type-ten phaser arrays...2 photon torpedo launchers
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The above mentioned Galaxy Class Starship is the standard class of star trek ship we're accustomed to, like Pecard's ride. If Jean'Luc had a bumper sticker on the Enterprise, though, it would have read, "My other starship is a Ambassitor." Unfortunatly, the technical aspects of that beast are unavailable to my initial research.
Still, as we can see here, the fight is ridiculously one sided. A Galaxy Classed Starship doesnt even posses the fire power to take down half a Imperial class destroyer, whose main purpose is a mobile war base. Regardless of the specs of an ambassitor, Im feel confident a Victory class star destroyer (see above SW link) would send its ass 5 stardates into the future.
Of course Trek winers like Shino will aregue that there are other races. |
Damn right. This isn't about what you are "used to." The size difference of these two ships is why I don't compare them... This is why I compared it to a borg cube. And yes I will say other races b/c the discussion is Trek vs Wars as a whole. Not Star Destroyer vs Enterprise.
| Daijaga wrote: | | Researchers like Daijaga are here to quell the myth and reveal the facts of other sucky Trek technology. |
Haha, well this should be fun since if you watch the difference in medical technology between Trek and Wars, Trek is centuries ahead of Wars.
| Daijaga wrote: | Borg Cube - Technical aspects were not available to my research, below are some snippets of information I collected from several places on the web:
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*a borg cube is big enough to hold all five enterprises
*a borg cube is 28 cubic kilometers
*The Borg have installed a series of transwarp conduits which permeate the galaxy. From their native Delta Quadrant they are able to make rapid jumps covering great distances, and travel times can be hundreds of times faster than their maximum warp.
*FLEET SIZE 29085 ships
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Make your own clucutions from this, but be warned, from the technical standpoint, Lucas is up by one on Roddenberry in my book.
Also, if you thought we were the first peopel to think of this, Huzzah! think again. http://www.electricferret.com/fights/darkstars.htm form which I draw this interesting quote:
| Daki wrote: | | There is one major weakness the Borg would have if they attacked the Death Star... Darth Vader. Since the Borg share a common "hive" mind, Darth Vader could use his Sith Mind Control powers to "influence" their thinking. With a single thought, Vader could have all those Borg ripping each other to pieces. No contest here boys and girls. Trekkers should stay out of Star Wars space. |
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This would be a good point except for one little rule about this Force power. Weak minded. Since the Bork are all but weak minded since they have assimilated countless races, this would not hold. And if this was such an obvious way to win. Why did the Death Star get destroyed twice? Why didn't Vader use this technique on the people that were attacking the Deathstar. Because he couldn't! Not only b/c he has to see them, but because they need to be weak minded.
So if you really want to compare a Cube to the Death Star, imagine this... Borg soldiers beaming on to the Deathstar and start assimilating all of the storm troopers. Since their guns are beam weapons and would maybe kill of 2 or 3 of the borg before they adapted.
Oh and Dia...
You called me a fanboy, then went on to say you don't watch Trek, which makes you a Star Wars Fanboy. That's impressive. 
I love both of them... Trek and Wars.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: |
Yeah sure after changing all my match ups. Stop bringing Q in I said people with god like abilities have an unfair advantage. Ok so Mr. Shino has a problem with my match-ups let us see here. Let's look at his match ups.
Sisco Vs. Solo ok yeah maybe but you never know. Solo has been known to bend the rules every now and then again. Funny I didn't use anybody from Deep Space Nine not that I did it on purpose. Ok Dark Lord Vs. Dark Lord. Ok Shino you will notice I said one on one so take the borg out...or at least if you are going to let her use the borg let him have his stormtroppers, but it isn't like that is it. So drop her butt out side of the collective and we will see what happens. Vader wins. Without the collective the queen is not as tough so yeah Vader beats her. Then you had to start dissing Padmé. Oh my friend you have crossed the line. First off she would kick that borg beauty queen's butt any day of the week. Second of all you my friend have no song in your soul. It is Romeo and Juliet all over again. Padmé and Anakin is the tragic love story of our generation. Very sad. Tear drop. So don't you mock the drama and heartache of Star Wars when you don't see the deepness of it because you have no song in your soul. But beyond that let's talk about the movies shall we. All of Star Wars pretty good. Some better than others. Star Trek not so much. Don't get me wrong I loved most of them. But some of them...... 
were awful.  Oh and Boba Vs. a Ferengi? Who the hell who are you kidding? Fett would have those bottom feeders of the trek world tied up and sold to the highest bidder before they knew what hit them. And Shan just to tell you I did go for Trek's strong points. At least the strongest I knew. They were fair at least more fair than throwing Q out there . So maybe Sisko could beat Solo I went for more of the old school but you guys are proving the point that this arugement is useless because fans of which ever series will ALWAYS find a way for their side to win. So it is pointless to fight about it but don't get mad when somebody says their side is better than the other because that is where this will always led it is an endless cycle. So there you go. |
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