Point Of Veiw

Girkon · Chop Chop Fiend Gender: Joined: 29 Sep 2004

But that is totally different from what was said before. You say it just like a doctor that would tell you you'd be overweight simply because of the bare bones statistics or just because it looked different. The social aspects of what is deemed healthy or unhealthy is the same as the point of view of a model, thin and fat, healthy or unhealthy. Quite frankly there is no reason to believe the words said here. It's no different from the ads or the the polls. In the end it is brought down to the views put in your mind since childhood. It could have been a single word or sentence said to you, or it could have been an event in your childhood. But it all leads back to how you feel right now when this was started. The thing that should really be asked is the why? For each person that has said their view. Why have they said it, and what drives them to say it. Because the same conclusion and opinion has been said in this thread over and over again by some of the same people.

I'm not meaning to be malicous or anything. I just wish to hear some good responce from this, and possibly breathe some new life into it.

Kiyomi · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject:

Girkon · Chop Chop Fiend Gender: Joined: 29 Sep 2004

[quote="Kiyomi]

I don't see it as being different because a healthy weight for your body type is NATURAL. Altering your body by constrictive measures is not at all natural. Her natural build is NOT with a waist that small. Her natural, healthy build is not with a super-narrow waist.

It's like when the Chinese used to bind the feet of baby girls so they would stay small. When you drastically alter your body, even if it is a slow process, there is almost always a health effect. For example, restricting corsets in general make it difficult to breathe. So if you constistantly wore a corset, it is not unlikely that the lungs could be compressed causing them to be smaller and be able to hold less air. It might not be a huge effect, especially if you are not an athlete, but it is still an effect.[/quote]

Yes to a degree that is true. But if a person can still live a normal life isn't that by defenition healthy? It's the same if a person porked out and got fatter. That is no means natural either yet people don't focus on that. Because it isn;t a definable status synbol in society.

Kiyomi · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject:

I know. I was just saying that the corsets were not healthy. Neither is getting fat. My entire point from the very beginning was that natural was healthy, so I'm not sure why you are debating me??? You are basically saying the same thing. I'm confused.

Girkon · Chop Chop Fiend Gender: Joined: 29 Sep 2004

Well first off it's an attempt to try and offer a discerning view of a thread that is one sided. That there is more to the subject, beyond the corsets and other material icons of the social stage that is all over the world. Second whats a thread in a section devoted to opinion without a clash of them. Finally I was just bored so I decided to see what would happen if I said something.

Kiyomi · Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject:

No, I understand opposing opinions, but I am confused as to how yours is opposing mine? What I understand is this:

You are saying that what I said about the corsets being unhealthy is different than what I said about going by natural healthy weight and build rather than trying to fit into a certain weight bracket.

What I said is that it is not different because corsets are NOT part of the natural weight and build.

Then you said if a person got too fat, it is the same as if a person changed their figure by using a corset. Either way it is a figure change. Which I agree with.

The only difference we have is that I don't think either is healthy, whereas you seem to think being overweight is healthy. Being overweight can cause all manner of health problems. Diabetes, bed soars from too much weight pressing into the bed, heart attacks, etc. A "fairly normal lifestyle" is not my definition of healthy. I don't sleep well and I have muscle and joint pains, yet I live a fairly normal lifestyle. Doesn't make me healthy. To me, healthy is the same as what a doctor would say is healthy: in good physical shape for your natural body build, without medical problems, and without emotional or mental problems. Being overweight is not healthy because you are not in physical shape according to your body type. Having a super-narrow waist brought about by unnatural means is probably not healthy because it is also not the natural build of your body. The example I gave before is that she might not be able to breathe as well as someone who did not have their lungs compressed for years. So she would not be as healthy as a person who had normal lungs, if that was the case.