For Rev ... President Bush...whatcha think?

[reaper]

[KenseiKurisuchan]

Yes.

[GAAZ]

Actually the Middle East has the most oil at this time but they are only third in production.

Alaska has much more oil under it but we aren't allowed to tap it because of "Wildlife Concerns"

So what we SHOULD do is start bringing war on PETA and Greenpeace.




And yes..Sadam is a geomaniacle fuckhead and I do think we would have rolled over his ass like 7 years ago had we a president that used his balls for America and not staining a blue dress.

[Reverend]

Dang, I'm getting followers and now I want to follow Doot!

As for Saddam being a bad guy...We all knew this. We know Kim Jong Il is a bad guy as well. We know Momar Khadafi is a bad guy as well. Hell, the Saudis support public beheading. Yet we do nothing about those guys.

Why not them? If we want to the Superman of this world, we better work to save everyone and not just some people. Why are the people of Iraq in the line first I guess is what I'm asking.

And to be honest, if I have to choose between Kerry and Bush, it's going to be Kerry. Wish it was Bubba again in some ways. We knew what to expect with him.

[GAAZ]

Because...We fucked up last time..We went in to liberate Iraq and instead got Saddam to sign a peace treaty with his own people.

Then we lost Bush as President and Bubba ignored him violating his treaty.

Then we lost Bubba and were probably going to go in anyway then September 11th happened and after we linked Saddam to Osama it just felt right to go after him.

The other people will die soon don't worry..Only problem is we keep getting Democrats in the White House who enjoy kickbacks more than they enjoy watching bad people die.

[Graillik Tur]

[Reverend]

I recognize that the troops who are out there protecting me do something that I don't know I could ever do. I do not nor ever will blame them for a war I do not agree with idealogically. It's the politicians and idealogues/demagogs who I have problems with. That includes Bush, who has allowed himself to fight this war as a war of his ideas for this world vs. what rationale we must choose. Our president has a habit of seeing the world through a lense of good and evil only. If we really could do that, then it would be easier to live. But we are not ubermensch. We cannot bend the world to our will and shape it as we see fit. We can work to cause ripples, to incite a change in thinking, but we cannot reshape as we see fit.

As for abortion, as I am a male I will never have to make the choice to go through with the surgery. I repeat, our government and a true republican stance would be that this is a private question each person must ask themselves and their source. Leave the door open, and at least the people who choose to walk through can.

I think what that quote meant was that in legal terms, Congress to pass through a bill that the then president signed that added the phrase "Under God" into our pledge, thus making a law that that respected a specific set of established religions. It is one of the damn biggest grey areas I have ever taken interest in studying. I often can't tell where a line could be drawn

Edit: That's the paradox of the world we live in isn't it?

PM me some time, to explain my stance on religion. But in a nut shell, I am for faith, belief, and for finding how you best worship whatever source you find guidance from. My 'oxymoronic standpoint' with religion is that religion has and is corrupted by a fixed dogma that is resistant to change. While the very nature of our world is in a constant state of flux.

Religion derives from the latin word 'religare' or to reconnect. We spend our live searching for how we can reconnect to some thing that we know, in the deepest part of our souls, is somehow larger than just us. I was given the name 'Reverend' due to my tendency to help people in some way begin to see what connected them.

[Graillik Tur]

Rev was it a teacher that told you religion is from religare? Because you are right, are is the latin ending, but that isn't the word that derived religion. The word is actually closer to the the english.

'religiosus (relligiosus) -a -um of persons , [scrupulous, conscientious; holy, strict, superstitious]; of actions, either [required] or [forbidden by religion]; of gods, etc. [holy, sacred]. Adv. religiose, [conscientiously, scrupulously; religiously]. '

Although the religare is a very poetic idea, it's not right.

Abortion, no it is not the right of a person to decide for themselves. Teenagers get raped, more so than women in their 20's, much more than women in their 30's. See, the #'s just don't add up. And unfortunately people tend to make rash decisions. I still like my idea. Unless it's medically threatening to the mother or it is a rape, they tie the tubes while their in their. Completely reversable process, at a small fee when the mother can pay for it.

Your right the "Under God" statement was added some 50 years ago. Why so recent. If the country is only slightly over 200 years old we should have been very diversed by the early 50's. Doesn't seem right for a non predominantly christian society to impose that upon it's not christianic peoples.

You have a lot of happy and lofty ideals that in all normal societies will never work. Unfortunately politics, government, religion, life are all inter connected. Perhaps we can discuss things indepth later.

[Reverend]

My minister actually, and while I'm sure the entemology of the word could be up for debate, I will cling to the truth of my point of view. Perhaps our word 'religion' came from both, or neither, I do not know.

I'm confused on one matter, is my body not my own? Should I not have final authority? And if we had proper education on abstinence AND safe sexual habits, we would see a decrease in the number of abortions

Added to differentiate us from 'godless commies'

And remember, it was a lofty ideal once for all men and women to vote. A pioneer dreams so that a sliver of that dream becomes a reality

[GAAZ]