Star Wars: Episode III!

Ming · DOOM! Gender: Joined: 13 Jan 2003

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with what Shino said. His actions not matching his morals was done on purpose to reflect how he was all messed up in the head and didn't know what he wanted, and how weak minded he really was, thus leading to the dark side. And yes, his cockiness does get the best of him in his fight with Obi-Wan. It's not really Obi-Wan that kills him, it's the fact that he's way too arrogant...which is most likely another reason they won't make him a Jedi Master.

As far as Grievous and Obi-Wan is concerned...didn't Obi-Wan pull open the plates that Grievous had protecting his insides, thereby exposing them?

And wait a sec...did Anakin ever actually fight Mace? Maybe I just don't remember correctly, but I remember Mace lining up to kill Palpatine, and Anakin just runs over and chops his arm off.

Terin · Huzzah! Gender: Joined: 27 Oct 2003

Shino · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:13 am Post subject:

shadokastur · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:45 am Post subject:

Phffbbt · Rookie Gender: Joined: 23 Dec 2004

OK, the old man has his second wind, so watch out!

Some good points have been brought up, but altogether the "tying up loose ends" feels so contrived, like many plot points were forced to fit the storyline as it progressed into Ep IV. Yet the single most important element - shock and surprise - was totally abandoned. And given Lucas' original intent in making this series, this to me is the biggest loss in the overall storyline.

I saw The Empire Strikes Back on opening day in 1980. The whole audience gasped at the revelation that Vader was Luke's father. Kids were crying through the remainder of the movie and out the theater doors. It was that way the first few times I say TESB in different theaters that first week it opened. Now, that element of surprise has been completely eliminated, and that is a shame.

Here is one possible way the problem could have been worked. Since Padme is a Senator and of royalty, she is a public figure. Her relationship with Anakin appears to have been the worst-kept secret around. It would have been very easy for her to, instead, marry a figurehead, someone who cares for her but is mostly there for her public profile. Anakin then becomes her Lancelot, protecting her and caring for her in secret. When she becomes pregnant, Anakin is both happy and confused (is it his?). This confusion also fuels his turn to the darkside. In the rage of his killing spree, he manages to kill Padme's husband. In that way, Obi Wan (in Ep IV) telling Luke that Vader "betrayed and murdered your father" sounds more plausible.

In the DVD edition of TESB, the dialogue between Vader and the Emporer has been modified. Vader appears to have no clue who he is with respect to Luke until the Emperor tells him to "search his feelings" and he will understand. Now, when Vader tells Luke he is his father, he sounds almost as if he is learning the truth HIMSELF for the first time. When he tells Luke to search his feelings, now the realization also hits Luke, and the whole deception becomes apparent.

Anyhow, just a thought. Doesn't matter now since the final chapter has been officially released. Like it or not, we'll just have to live with Lucas' version while he continues to laugh all the way to the bank.

I am done. My daily dose of Geritol has been used up. Time for my nap.

Terin · Huzzah! Gender: Joined: 27 Oct 2003

Girkon · Chop Chop Fiend Gender: Joined: 29 Sep 2004

Thats like looking at some important people and saying "They couldn't be that stupid could they?" yet they can be, Anakin is still human and throughout his entire life he has been victim of his own failings despite anything he may hold close or believe in.

shadokastur · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject:

silverorb · Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject:

i don't think he turned very quickly. anakin has been something of a dark and angry character from the moment we met him. he has always been somewhat impulsive, defiant, and arrogant but over the course of eps 1-3 has gotten gradually darker until finally reaching a position in which he would make the decision to turn to the dark side in order to keep from losing his wife as he lost his mother.

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Daijaga · Chosen of Luck Gender: Joined: 17 Dec 2003

His feelings were something we were confronted with several times. A Sith's mind tends to think and work in absolutes, ways that do not function with balance and encompassing reason. Anakin's very character worked this way thoughout the movie. One moment he is appriciateve of Ben's techings, the next he is questioning his friend's advise to watch Palpatine. He is admitted onto the Coucil only to question Mace Windu, with some distain, when he is not granted the rank of master. He knows he shouldn't kill Dooku but does it anyway, he knows he shoudlnt want power, but in a dialougue with Padme reveals he does in fact desire more.

And the situation with Anakin killing Dooku and Mace trying to kill Palpatine is easily justified. When Anakin says he doesnt want to slay Dooku when he is at his mercy, Palpatine says "Hes too dangerous to be kept alive." The exact words Mace uses as he threatens Palpatine's life. Those two situations are mirrors or each other, a jedi faces down a defeated Sith lord with the intent to slay him. One could even fathom the emporer orchistrated the whole event to get Ani to turn.
And this is something Faye brought up to me. Palpatine was most likly not at Mace's mercy, but rather was faking to get anakin to turn, being as Yoda couldnt even k33lify the emporer. I dunno if I believe that for sure, but its an interesting thought.