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whiteypoker
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 Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:21 am Post subject: Economy and bunnie |
Thomas Malthus believed that the poor should not bear more offspring than they could support. He also believed that we should move the weak and dying to the worst living conditions, such as swamps, so that nature could do its thing. Do you believe that Malthus was correct is stating this? Though it appears to be unethical to govern child bearing, it is very practical. How does this make you feel?
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Graillik Tur
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:32 am Post subject: |
You do what ya gotta do. If it's not in the best interests of the family, don't take that chance.
As far as old people...well they are living longer because of medicine and science. Long ago they just...died. Now with Social Security...which wasn't around before 1940...we're having to pay for old people who don't put back into the system. The Native Americans let their old die in peace...why shouldn't we? |
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silverorb
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:10 am Post subject: |
whatever happened to natural selection? it's difficult for people to take other people's lives so lightly, but for the survival and genetic benefit of the human race, only the strongest people really should breed. but of course that leads to the question of who gets to pick who the strongest humans are? i think that's where the problem lies
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Tobias
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: |
| whiteypoker wrote: | | Though it appears to be unethical to govern child bearing, it is very practical. How does this make you feel? |
This topic has always been one that intrigued me, since that one little sentence right there seemed to be where Plato's republic not only flourished, but at the same time, deminished due to the selfishness of people. Maybe we can discuss that later in the future.
| whiteypoker wrote: | | Thomas Malthus believed that the poor should not bear more offspring than they could support. He also believed that we should move the weak and dying to the worst living conditions, such as swamps, so that nature could do its thing. |
Well, this would be a striking discussion over the idea of Utilitariansim, and the such. From a Utilitarian perpective, if it benefits the most pleasure or good, while minmizing the most pain for the society, then go for it.
As far as the argument of the sacredness of life, as far as as the Judao-Christian method, which Western civilization is mostly governed by, it would be wrong, since we should be investing tax money and such into these people in order to bring them up to our own standings and therefore to let them become one with teh community again.
As far as my own feelings, i have no F***ing clue  Asking that question is in theory, putting value on life, which I can't say I have the ability to do.
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Graillik Tur
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
Well to get around the 'who is the strongest' idea, nature does. If you are smart enough to wow a woman into bed, bam, nature. IF you are strong enough to get a woman into bed by force, bam, nature. There is one problem with that statement. In nature, females choose the males...always. It's really funny that way. The males have to put on a show to attract the female in order to get what they want. I find that refreshing.
Ah...Ulitarianism...and idea if you will. All things working in unison, the machine works. One part faulters, another must either fix the problem or pick up the slack. With out this, the only alternative is cutting the losses and building up again.
Again with the SS and Welfare...those were supposed to be temporary. So...when do we draw the line as to what is most beneficial to the whole without killing us off or causing us to push too hard when we could be putting that force into something else? |
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Tobias
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:28 am Post subject: |
| Quote: | | Ah...Ulitarianism...and idea if you will. All things working in unison, the machine works. One part faulters, another must either fix the problem or pick up the slack. With out this, the only alternative is cutting the losses and building up again. |
Just to be sure, was this your own idea of Utilitariansim, because i believe utilitarianism is the belief of greatest good for least evil, or greatest pleasure for least pain. its based on the fact of utility, that you utilize the best and get rid of the poor in order to maximize to best and their good.
For a good utilitarian example, read the book "The Giver" The society portrayed in that story is a utilitarian society.
But ya...didnt knw if you were saying that as your own descripition or not. Sorries! |
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Graillik Tur
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:54 am Post subject: |
Well it's an expansion of Utilitarianism. In order to get the greatest good or least evil, all things must be working in a model for best efficency. This involves a number of things but all parts being equal, there is no way to define what is 'best' for the society. We need old people to pass on knowledge, we need young people to apply it. It as a philosopy has worked for years, but the newer version added some interesting ideas.
That was what I was trying to say. |
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shadokastur
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: |
I think if we were to force our elders to roam off to die we would be disrespecting the legacy they have bequeathed unto us and/or sustained for us. The student WILL surpass the master but that doesn't mean the master automatically becomes obsolete. Maybe reverence is what's really missing from the whole equation... |
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Graillik Tur
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
Well...which is more important...Efficiency or Ability to relax. I believe if we were to be in dire need of food or room, then the elderly would probably, if logically minded, take it upon themselves to do what they thought was best.
I think that is what it boils down to...is it necessary or not. |
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shadokastur
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
I didn't see anything about Worst Case Scenario mentioned above. But if that were the situation, then I suppose the call for efficiency would dictate that the leaders would have to trim the fat. But that would not necessarily mean to just jettison the elderly, that would mean to lighten the load of anyone that could'nt serve an important or influential role. I don't think the elderly or sick can be singled out as the sole cause of waste in any sense. |
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