The Peterson Case and Abortion Rights

Graillik Tur · Renaissancetaku Gender: Joined: 09 Jul 2004

For all of you out there on the abortion fence, I have news.

In California early last week a judgement came back saying a man will be put to death on two counts of murder.

Murder in the 1st against his wife, murder in the second for their unborn son.

Why is this so important?

This verdict will make a legal case for life starts at conception and imbue certain rights upon the child. This could very well cross over with the Scientologist children that are taken from their parents to be given adaquit health care, which is against the parents religion.

So we may see an end to the liberal use of abortion, which would be great. And a turn to better sex education programs and usage of birth control.

I say again, abortion is not an answer for lack of birth control. Parents are responsible for their childern and their children's children. Get them on the pill, educate them, and instill morals in them that are beneficial to society. Then their won't be a need for abortion as birth control.

That is all.

Daijaga · Chosen of Luck Gender: Joined: 17 Dec 2003

You can sooner outlaw blinking than you can abortion, making abortion illegal will only make it underground and dangerous. Perhaps there should be restrictions, liscenses, or other requirements, but something like abortion wont ever just go away, except maybe with time as new birthcontrol methods become more effective, but nothing is 100%.

As for birth control, the government tries to keep girls on birthcontrol as much as possible. My wife got the pill from the government at the local clinic for a year or two until she could afford her own. But naturally there are accedents, shortages, money cuts, etc, and this isnt always the case. Children are educated more and more at younger ages about pregnancy and stds, etc, but its always toung in cheek. Children have been having sex for a long time, and will continue to have sex for a long time, fact of life.

Everyone is doing what they can, but kids are still kids, accedents still happen. At that point, its up to the parents to decide how to handle it. We could always outlaw abortion completly and have women throwing babies in dumpsters, but no body wants that. So we have to hae the abortion option there for those that need/want it for a reasonable cause, and revile those that make a mockery of it and abuse it.

Bekuki · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:14 am Post subject:

I think abortion should be allowed for special cases-such as if a women got pregent from a rape. That's understandable. Or if she has a medical condtion that she's worried about affecting the baby-if it would, then that's understandable. If a women has just been fooling around, and gets pregent, then she must face the consequences.

Reverend · I kin Age: 41 Gender: Joined: 21 Oct 2002

Look, the issue here is not that every woman should have to get abortions, it comes down to once again, a choice that the person made. I am willing to bet you that no person on this board, or even in life would say that they believe there should have to be abortions, Mod knows I don't want anyone to have to go through with it. But in the end, if it is your choice to have an abortion, then that is your choice.

What I worry about is with judicial rulings like the one in the Peterson case saying that a fetus is a seperate entity and a human being protected by law, it provides a legal precendence to overturn Roe v. Wade, and depending how Supreme Court appointments go, this could be very bad....

Kiyomi · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:22 pm Post subject:

One one hand, it is great that the man is getting charged with both. After all, not only did someone's daughter die, but someone's soon-to-be grandchild died as a direct result. Plus, if it had not been the husband that had killed her, then the husband would be out both a wife and a baby that he could have loved too. (Saying if the circumstances were different and somene else had killed her, instead. Obviously this husband did not care about her or the baby.) See, the way I see it, if a woman dies during the birthing process, it is very sad. The first loss is still there. However, if the baby makes it, at least the relatives have something and somene left to go on loving. To someone who wants the baby, that baby IS a seperate being. Heck, even people who have abortions often feel like they killed someone and feel deep regret. That is something they have to live with, but it furthers my point that people who are wanting that baby definitely consider it its own life...not just an extension of themselves.

So on one hand, I can see it as a good thing if it stays as it is. On the other hand, I agree that it can definitely be taken too far. I am personally against abortion except in cases or rape or health of the mother being at risk because of the pregnancy, but that does not mean I am automatically right if I said abortion should be outlawed. I also agree that if it is, it will just go underground. Before abortion was considered "ok", women would use coat hangers to perform their own abortions. So they were still doing abortions, just doing it in a much more dangerous way. They could seriously injure themselves.

Graillik Tur · Renaissancetaku Gender: Joined: 09 Jul 2004

When did I say anything about an end to abortion. Dai and I talked last night and he said I was the one that took things to the extreme. Obviously I was right in that people take it to the extreme and backtrack.

Abortion will never be outlawed. Abortion as a form of birth control, that could be outlawed. Laws that punish people for killing unborn children can be produced. Abortion will never go away, it will just be changed.

On to sex education. I don't know what Dai got in school, but I got about 5 minutes of sex education in 5th grade and again in middle school. That was it. Sexual Education in Texas is a joke. They give you a little speech about not doing, tell you about some diseases, tell you the percentages of some contraceptives, and send you on your way. Max education time 2 hours. I've taken longer on tests than that. There really needs to be some educating of children. Unfortunately it comes back to the state not being able to tell children what their parents don't want them to hear. Most parents would rather not discuss it and hope it goes away. And it won't.

Again it comes down to parents. Parents attempt to blame MTV and Video Games for their child's problems when it the parents that have to raise the child, not the TV. So let us start the new Revolution. It will be this generation that maes or breaks these topics. Make the right decision.

Long Live America

kei · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:01 pm Post subject:

Gra, I respect your point of view, it made good since.

And in reply to it I say simpler

This is life, it's not always fare, and as the beasty boys once said.

"YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT! FOR YOUR RIGHT! TO PARRR-TY!"

Reverend · I kin Age: 41 Gender: Joined: 21 Oct 2002

I agree with you Graillik. Part of the reason why I was able to get a good sex education is because my parents and my religion believed it was important that I know everything I would like to know on the subject, then make my own opinions on it from there

Ultrawolf · Mr. Roarke Gender: Joined: 04 Jul 2003

Health class is a requirement where I live. Either half a semester or a full semester long. I don't agree that it's entirely the parent's fault if the kids screw around and get pregnant. Some people are just stupid and will do stupid things even if they are informed of the risks before hand. I know one of my good friends made that choice a while ago and has been screwing around with her boyfriend. They got the same education I did, only I'm making the choice not to do stupid things. My parents still haven't given me the birds and bees speech so effectively they haven't taught me anything. My friend on the other hand HAS had their parents talk to them too. I know this whole post so far is kinda off topic but i'm getting to the point hehe.

I think abortion SHOULD be there as an option because of outside factors like the pregnancy caused by rape or that it could seriously damage the mother or whatever. I just wish it wasn't taken for granted by dumb people. It's not entirely the parent's fault. The kid's are to blame as well. I don't think abortion should or CAN be made outlawed just because of those things like rape, etc.

Graillik Tur · Renaissancetaku Gender: Joined: 09 Jul 2004

We're not talking about outlawing anything. Why is everyon saying outlaw. There is no outlaw. Simlpy because of the facts Ultrawolf stated.

Again the numbers for Rape and Complication births is so miniscule compaired to the number of selected abortions it's ridiculous but that's just numbers.

I also understand Ultrawolf, you're talking about Health. Aids, pregnancy, gonarrea, don't do it.

That's not education. Let's try, the choice you make will completely change your life. Abstinance is the only 100% effective method of birth control but Daiphram and condom combination is 98% effective. The pill is 98.6 but still doesn't stop disease. Your partner could cheat on you at anytime and love has nothing to do with it.

When was the last time a health teacher talked about the psychological problems that often arise from people having sex too soon?

Just a thought.