Rememberance

[reaper]

PreScript: well this turned out really really long, didn't really intend it to be but here it is. If you take the time to read it I thank you, and welcome any input on my ideas. If not I can see why you wouldn't lol.

This is something that I may have thought a little about. . .
Those are two very good, and very similar questions. But the answers are not simple at all. And the answers are both completely different. I may seem fatalistic to you, but bear with me.

There are many levels of remembrance. The first level is people who will not be remembered past four generations. Four considering they live a long life that is. At most they with have Children, then Grand Children, and finally Great Grandchildren. Past this generation there will be no memory in anyway of who and what you were. Sadly I would say that 99% of people alive and who have ever lived fall into this category. This is how it has been for the entire course of human history.

The next is people who have in some way made contributions relevant either culturally or scientifically to our world. These are the one percents that every one wants to be. This level is nice because your work, and in most cases your name, will be remembered long after your death, in some cases very long after. But in the end they can only be a name, and their work. Nothing more nothing less. So even if you do attain a level or real remembrance you still won't really be remembered in any real way.

The next is the world history which is comprised of the exploits and accomplishment of all those in the previous two levels. Every war, advancement, industrialization, anything that has shaped our modern world I would put in this category. At least for the last hundred thousand years or so. The other 4 billion years the earth has shifted its land mass more than we could know, countless mountains have risen and fallen, only to have others rise again. But also created life from inanimate matter, which set in motion the terraformation or earth so said life could multiply and evolve. Eventually giving rise to a sentient being. So even all of human history pales besides the earth's.

The next level requires a bit of a jump in your train of thought. The Milky way is a spiral galaxy, Basically a large disk. Some 100,000 light years in diameter and around 30,000 light years in thickness. The speed of light is 9.4605284 × 10^15 meters per second. Which is about 186,000 miles(300,000 kilometers) per second. The circumference of the earth is only about 25,000 miles, so theoretically a beam of light could go around the world about 7.5 times a second. Now stretch that speed out over the course of 30,000 years and you have the milky way. And it has been in existence for and estimated 13.6 billion years. So comparatively the entire earth's history is irrelevant at this level because comparatively, the earth is like a amoeba on the galaxy. Personally I don't pay attention to the amoeba that are on me, Actually its more the amoeba, on the amoeba, which is on the amoeba that's on me lol. So Basically it's way to big for the human mind to conceive.

The next level is that the universal one. There is really no way of knowing for certain but it estimated there are some 125 billion (125,000,000,000,000) galaxies. And the Farthest we can see is around 13.2 billion (13,200,000,000,000) light years away, which astronomically speaking is really far, but still not nearly as far as possible.. The universe is exponentially bigger than our own galaxy, which makes the universe inconceivably inconceivable.

So what the hell is my point you ask? Just this, The answer to your first question is quite easy to answer, No. Your life ultimately will be completely meaningless in the grand sceam of things. You are a spec(person), on a spec(earth), in a spec(galaxy), in the universe. No matter what you do or who you are you will be forgotten.

Your second question is the really good one though. Though I don't think it's why was my life worth living, it should be why is life worth living. The is really no way some one can answer this for you. But I have my own out look in it.

So your life is essentially meaningless in the grand sceam. This does not mean there is no point to life. I feel life is what you make of it. Just get out have a good time and enjoy life. Find something you can aspire t words and work t words it. Or if thats not your thing just find a way to be happy, and I think your life will definetly be worth living. Don't take life to seriously it's all a game.
And since its all the same in the end my philosophy on life is summed up as, Make love not war.

[Graillik Tur]

But again those that believe that your exsistance once over on earth means nothing can never understand the impact of a single atom on a composite of atoms.

take lead for example, meaningless metal found all over the world. One atom, a proton, seperates it on the atomic chart from gold, one of the most precious and useful metals we have on earth.

Each individual leaves a residual effect on the planet, kind of like double exposing a picture. Now you keep exposing the picture, the picture completely fades into a white sheet, too much stuff on one page. But luckily the earth doesn't work like that. You can infinitely expose the film with no complete loss.

And to advice on some quotes, cause I just saw them.

Sic vis pacem parabellum - If you want peace, prepare for war - Roman saying.

There must be a universal theorm to everything for God does not throw dice - Albert Einstein

[reaper]

You are right about that, but my point was in the grand sceam of the universe the earth is of little consequence, and individually we as people are of little consequence to the earth. The entire course of human history reflects that. So really why does it matter? The universe is eternal we are not. Did you read the whole thing lol?

[Ultrawolf]

[Shandriz]

Murr. So, here's another perspective-- Do you -want- to be remembered for eternity?

I mean, really, think about it.

I don't. I have a lot of flaws I'd rather let die with me. And of course, if I were 'famous' enough that people did remember me for eternity, they would change that. But then it wouldn't be me, and so it'd be just as bad as having my flaws remembered, if that makes any sense.

Really, I'd much rather die with my body. ^_^

[Graillik Tur]

I quoted Einstein because you quoted Einstein in your sig. And seeing as you like him, but don't agree with a spirituality that states everything exists forever, I found that complexing.

Romans...remembered through out time. Had some of the most advanced thinkers and inventors in history. Your indoor plumbing is still based off of concepts invented by the Romans. Why did they have so much time to come up with these things? Cause they had the land, and security to do these things. Rome was built on the ideals of war. Look up the story of Romulus and Remus. Remus died for making light of Romulus' dream. Ya have to fight for things, that is the way of life.

But back to forever. We'll use Einsteins model of Relativity. All forces react in a radius. They effect everything that they can, as far as their reach of influence allows. Eventually the radius falls off and can no longer effect anything. This is unless ofcourse you believe that light , once put into motion can not be stopped, only absorbed or diverted. If these two ideas are true, it would appear that energy, can not be disipated, only moved around. Therefore, since the beginning of time, if you believe in the Big Bang, all things are in motion can can not be stopped. Every action by a human being, every breath, every idea thought, every moment, is a diffusion of energy. By putting this energy into motion, you have created a string of events that can not be stopped, only influenced by other experiances, but the original statement still withstands.

What does it all add up too? You will influence everything to the ends of the universe mearly by reading this thread and thinking. No more, no less. Will have drastic influences on the known peoples, probably not, effects are directly proportional to the energy put forth. But it an everlasting effect on all regions of the universe, so ya, you think it's inconcequential, but I think it's miraculous.

[Faye]

Besides my close family and friends, I really dont care what the rest of the world thinks about me after I'm dead. Hell, I dont care what they think of me now.

Is life worth living?? Absolutly. Do I really need a reason for thinking that??

[reaper]

I wish for once some one would pay attention to what I said. Instead of coming at me with counter arguments that aren't in line with my arguments at all, and putting words in my mouth.

O well, no point in wasting more time. *bounces*

[Therin]

[Ultrawolf]

If you are remembered for eternity your memory will be twisted and changed through time. None will know you as you were but might think of you as something else.