An unexpected outcome

Graillik Tur · Renaissancetaku Gender: Joined: 09 Jul 2004

Wow...never thought I would get to go through this. It has come to my attention that the 'society' of PO isn't so open or forgiving. I have figured out that my opinions are not in line with most of the people here and have decided after much deliberation that since I don't fit in here...I'm leaving.

But so you know...This is exactly what happens when you try to limit something. You said you stood for coming together under common grounds. You said that this was an open place to state what you believed in. I have flooded these pages with ideas that are not in line with what many of you think, and if it has offened anyone I apologize. But not one of you has ever concidered my feelings with your statements, and I don't expect you to. None of you know how pissed off some of the things said here have made me and I just let them slide. None of you know what it is to be the lone voice in the woods screaming at the top of your lungs hoping someone will agree with you. Here you the majority, and I am the outcast.

So if any of you have ever been outcasts IRL as well, I hope you know what you've put me through.

Best Wishes and Love to All of You,

Graillik.

'And we all go the same way home.' - Flogging Molly

Faye · Luna Sierra Age: 42 Gender: Joined: 28 Apr 2004

You know.... I had this big long thing typed out to post up here. I even submitted it for a few minutes. Then I thought better. I am not going to break the rules that I had preached to Graillik just moments ago. No matter how much I wanted to.

Graillik had made a post that could have easily been considered a personal attack, I confronted him about it just after he editted it to make it much more subtle. But before I had noticed the edit. We argued back and forth about my comment and his and it eventually lead to this. It was never my intention for Graillik to leave. I do not, in any way, shape, or form, speak for PO. I am not even a mod and probably never will be after this fiasco(sp?). My intentions were purely personal seeing as how Graillik was a personal friend of mine. They just happend to have something to do with content on PO.

Unexpected outcome is an understatment.

shadokastur · Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:53 am Post subject:

Graillik if you leave you'll be doing yourself a great disservice.
The fact that you were that lone voice shouting in the woods made me come to respect you as someone who actually stood behind what he said. Leave and you will in some minor way be forfeiting your right to your opinion here and I for one don't want to see that happen. Take some time to cool down and review the whole content of the issue and see what, if any, things are left to do/say and come back when you can address this situation with a clearer head. Please.

REY

Therin · Gloompf. Iggle! Gender: Joined: 24 Sep 2002

Venus · PO Skirtdropper Gender: Joined: 19 Sep 2004

Even though I dont really know you all that well..Everyone has opinions about different things..and in no way does everyone agree! Its just a fact of the matter. Im sorry that you are leaving...let me be one to say...you will be missed around here...I enjoyed reading your compelling statements against everything else someone was saying..very riveting...so again..please dont leave...it wouldnt be the same without you.

RivaOni · Full English! Age: 41 Gender: Joined: 24 Sep 2002

its always sad when someone leaves PO. i personally never like to see people leave this place. no ones trying to stop you from going, but not one wants you to go either. people respect you for who you are and the fact that you stand for what you believe in, in modern ay this sort of attitude is VERY important. heck i would never have got my daughter back if i didnt believe that me and my partner could fight social services together, we cetainly wouldnt of done it if we'd tried alone.

at the end of the day, just take what people say with a pinch of salt, aaslong as you believe in yourself and the things you think who cares what others think right? after all, everybody on this planet is an individual, and thats our right as human beings, and you never know, you may find someone sometime on PO who believes the same things as you!

Shurikane · Dim Panties As String Joined: 24 Sep 2002

This isn't about opinions whatsoever. If everything amounted to that, life would've been really simple, but that isn't the case here unless you count the usual conservatives-VS-liberals bitter rivalry that's existed since the beginning of time.

What's at stake here is behavior. That's applicable to everyone in the Soapbox. You guys talk about politics and are very passionate about your ideas - and that's exactly where the problem lies. You might be just a little too passionate. That's something I notice primarily on those who like to stick to political topics Of course - they love their country and want nothing but the best for it. But, we must not let our emotions get over our reason. We're at PO, where politics are a subject of discussion among others, and I highly frown on the concept of debate where you have to declare a winner. Debates are for candidate presidents. Debates are formal, with rules and a set time. We could try something like that over the Internet, but I say that'd be the same as committing suicide because all it does is fuel hatred between the rivaling parties.

So. Get your facts, post the links, post the sources, state your opinion, state why you have this opinion, and please, please, please, don't resort to flames. In fact, don't even resort to semi-insults. I know there's several people who like to get real close to the line without actually crossing it. I know the maneuver; I've done it before! And seeing that, from a mod position, that's unacceptable.

Reason over emotions. Always, reason over emotions. If you leave because you believe your opinions are being bashed, sit down for a few minutes, cool down, and let your reason speak. I am certain that the stake is not opinions, as I know the whole of the PO members is much better than that.

Doot · Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:36 am Post subject:

Graillik I think you would be doing a great disservice to all of your opinions and views you have expressed here if you leave. I understand your opinions may not be met with the same zeal as you present them but I have to say that it is a very admirable position you are in to stand true for what you believe.

Shurikane is correct that passion tends to override reason and we have all fallen victim to that at one point or another. I do not wish to restrain anyone of thier opinion, I only have ever asked that we treat each other with respect. This is a statement for everyone in the community. I don't want this place to turn into a feeding frenzy of opinion mobs so I implore everyone to stop and think before they type. It's much easier to do it via this medium than when you are speaking in person.

Graillik, I personally do not wish to see you go. If I could have one request of you it would be to reconsider your departure and continue to uphold your position of whic I respect greatly.

Ultrawolf · Mr. Roarke Gender: Joined: 04 Jul 2003

Graillik Tur · Renaissancetaku Gender: Joined: 09 Jul 2004

IMPORANT EDIT AT THE BOTTOM PLEASE READ!

Too pashionate, reason over emotion, don't flame. There was a mod just the other day saying how much of a bad ass he was when he flamed someone on a nother board. He said the guy deserved it for being and assface. What it amounted to is that he didn't like what was being said, got frustrated and lost his cool.

Obviously my positions and thoughts are straining the community, and if anyone looks back you will notice that the community is what is most important to me, not the individual. As such I have no recourse but to leave as not to furhter degredate the society. You have your own little world here, and I just don't belong in it. I scare and/or anger too many. I have to be monitored like a criminal as to not break down the normal workings of this place.

If I thought that there was one who agreed with me I would stay, other than whitey cause not even he agrees with everything I say. And that's not what I'm looking for, I just wish someone had some of the views I do about life, and none of you here do. I doubt a single one of you believes that a woman's place is in the home. But I would ask why not? Isn't the greatest gift a mother can give her children is her attention? Her love? Not her money? Is it wrong to want that for a wife? Is it wrong to hope that there is a divine force so that all this weight of the world can some how be lifted of our shoulders for just a second? Is it wrong to believe that man is perfect in design but not in his intentions? That there is a Universal Law that governs all things and that man is not so removed from his animal counterparts that he will understand for all his mind it will not save him if he doesn't work and toil to provide, earn an honest living? Does no one understand these things? Obviously not. I have either erred in my ability to relay these beliefs or, because of my 'rude' nature, you just don't like the way I say it. We don't spare feelings in my family. We tell you like it is, and if you can't handle that, you swallow it any way you can and keep moving.

Small town values are a bitch ladies and gentlemen, but they are all I know and they do not fit in a society that is so 'open minded' to believe that there is not a Universal Right and Wrong. I am sorry for this, and the apologize are welcomed but do not change the outcome of my desicion. I will not fight this battle for the sake of the community. I will just idly watch and listen. I will write my book as I wait for the day and place that I will find like minded peoples who share the same beliefs that I do. I will no longer attempt to force my beliefs on others that obviously don't want to listen, because they already have it figured out.

I will close with if I have shown that I already have it figured out, I don't. I only came off that way in order to get some type of reaction out of you. There have been many great ideas brought to my attention, and there have been crap. Crap because I believe, which makes this an opinion, it has no basis and I have no evidence or personal experiance to back up what was being said. Again, some would say that by me saying 'your argument is crap' I will have offended someone. Gomen, but that is my opinion, that it is crap.

I love all you guys and I wish the best for you all, but I can not remain the lone voice when my opinions offend a good friend.

"What would be the pleasure of the victory if there was no risk involved in the wager"

Salut.

SUB POST!

After Careful deliberation and some kind words from the audiance I retract my removal from the boards.

Welcome back to the school of hard knocks ladies and gentlemen, it's a new semester and I got a whole new lesson plan. Twisted Evil

"We're the seven deadly pirates...we're the seven deadly sins"