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shadokastur
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:12 pm    Post subject:

Graillik Tur wrote:
Ah...death is not unknowable. Many know death. Many have stared it right in the face. I was in a car wreck once in a creek. When I saw the water wash up over the windshield, I thought I was going to die. I didn't, I really didn't even come close, but I thought I was going to die. I have seen many family mambers die (my family is old). I've had pets die. Everyone knows of death. It's how you will face it when it comes time.


What you experienced was an encounter with the end possibility of your concept of death. Death is unknowable because you can't add dying to your list of experiences (i.e. what it would be like to BE dead.) People who have had near-death experiences were just that, NEAR death. Even they couldn't tell you what it would be like on the other side of the light.

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Graillik Tur wrote:
Being comforted in hard times. Everyone needs to be comforted at some point. But as I have seen growing up...you suck it up and you continue if you can. You don't stop, you don't quit, you don't back down. Comfort is all well and good, but eventually the only thing that matters is if you do something or not. I understand what your trying to say, I just don't see it a plausible. Even our own elderly when they get down seem to go peacfully. I can't imagine a hardened peoples who have been used to this idea turning against it. The Plains Indians did it for thousands of years. When the elderly got down, it was the families decision to leave the elderly behind. OR...the elderly would wonder off to find his 'final vision'. I like that. You meet you end with diginity and a closeness to your god.


I was under the impression that we were talking about implementing this sort of system, not it's pre-existence as part of a people's belief as a society or as members of a religion that sanctified this belief.

Side note: I personally agree that going off to meet my 'final vision' would be my preferred last minutes as well.
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Graillik Tur wrote:
As far as reality goes...yes and no. Since we all view the world differently it's hard to pin point a single 'reality'. Instead we can agree that certain things are 'true' in certain instances. But as a broad idea, ya. Reality only exists if two or more people agree on it. There can be no one person how believes something that no one else believes. Take Any and I mean Any religion. Someone always believes it, it may be a few people, it may be millions, but someone always believes.


What about an "insane" person's reality? Their current reality consists of their outlandish beliefs. But even if we do not agree with them that will not change their reality.

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