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Shino
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject:

Shurikane wrote:
Buda wrote:
ya know, for about 5 seconds there I was thinking it might me fun to dress in a fur suit and make a compleat fool out of my self with total anonimity, but that video scared the hell out of me....
Anyway, thanks for the links fawkes ill be sure to check it out


We'll be sure to force you into A Brick costume next AWA. Very Happy


Man it was hot in there!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:28 pm    Post subject:

You're always hot, Shino. ^_-

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Buda
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:39 pm    Post subject:

I love being the a brick... i was in there in the suna-chan pic i believe Smile

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Kugyou
Katori Shintaro!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject:

I feel the need to speak. Speak, not yell, not point fingers.

It was never my intent to come across as speaking for the whole fandom with my original statements. My intent in the "even among the furry fandom[...]" line was to point out that the furry fandom is actually not a homogeneous collective fostering mindless groupthink, and that even within that group there are those who refuse to believe that they must accept any and all subgroups that form within or attach themselves to the community. My point was that some of the groups that have come about independently of the furry movement (such as the Otherkin/Therians, which grew out of an elf RP board, and whose "fundamentalists" reject "terrestrials" as not being Otherkin) actually have attempted to speak as if they are synonymous with and necessary to furry fandom, which has actually led to ostracization of those like myself who stay in the RP and art milieu. In other words, I do not attempt to speak for the fandom, but some of those in the "fringe groups" do. When I said that certain subgroups have attached themselves to the furry fandom for "legitimacy", it was not my intent to say that those who fall into those groups have any particular motive, but that certain vocal members of those groups are, in fact, using the furry base the same way outspoken NAMBLA members used the nascent gay pride movement, saying "if you accept the larger group, you must accept us as well".

My meaning in saying that certain things are "not furry" was not to say that those who fall into those groups aren't themselves "furries", but that those groups are no more "part of the furry fandom" than being Christian/Pagan/White/Black/an Otaku - there are contingents in the fandom that may be those things, but they are independent of the fandom as a whole, and membership in one group does not necessitate membership in the other. My "warning", as it were, was meant as a reminder that being furry isn't a matter of clear-cut lines and to not let anyone tell you that you are "not a furry" if you do or do not fit in with one of the subgroups. Heck, I get told that I'm not a "real furry RPer" by different groups because I don't fursuit. Or because I don't play on FurryMUCK. Or Furcadia. One fur (who, interestingly enough, was banned from FurryMUCK and now staffs Edwards' Second Life office) told me that I can't be a "real furry" at all because a) I've only been in the fandom since 1993 and b) because I'm conservative. I'm neither Burned nor Wet (I'll explain the references if desired); I have no desire to dictate that a particular person is not furry, and I similarly deny that privilege to others. I don't know about you, but I put sugar on my porridge.

That is all.

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K-chan
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject:

Kugyou wrote:

My meaning in saying that certain things are "not furry" was not to say that those who fall into those groups aren't themselves "furries", but that those groups are no more "part of the furry fandom" than being Christian/Pagan/White/Black/an Otaku - there are contingents in the fandom that may be those things, but they are independent of the fandom as a whole, and membership in one group does not necessitate membership in the other.


See I disagree with that that statement that they are independent.. Those subgroups are indeed -very- much apart of the fandom, and furry cons often have panels for those interests groups. Why? Because they became -organized- as an actual collective group within the fandom. Otherkin maybe the exception having a different origin story, but I know a few people who define themselves as Otherkin and Therian -within- the Furry fandom. Here we are once again, back to personal choice.

Regardless of individual membership in these subgroups; it is still apart of being Furry because it is a part of the fandom's image. Furry includes antrho art PG and mature, fursuits PG and mature, puppetry, plushophilla etc. etc;. Being Furry says nothing about you as a fur, but to those outside the fandom they all move within the same group even if you claim that it is independantly. This debate will never end, and furs will never be able to explain the fandom in a way thats going to make it seem less perverse or stupid to non-furs. Implying that these groups may have nothing to do with other aspects of the fandom because of an individual's choice, still doesn't mean much. Its still all furry to the public eye, and as a fur that is a view of the fandom one has to just accept and live with.

What's most important in these discussions is to simply state how -you- are a furry, and not even attempt to define the fandom. Because it is so broad, and so varied, you will end up using a generalization that will offend someone's personal definition of the fandom. Show how -you- are a fur, and how you are not. That is the best way to educate the public on what furry -can be-, and not what it is because you will never explain it in a way that will make all others happy.

This is why I wanted to draw attention to the fact that this thread had gone off on a tangent from Buda's original intent. I really don't think this should continue on as a debate, because it really is going to serve no purpose. People sharing Gaaz's opinions will never change and that's his choice, and as I've already said there will be furs who will never accept your definition of the fandom.

So anyway as I said...



My fursona is actually the image on the left that I am using as my avatar presently, and not a panda. I love pandas. I think they are just the cutest things in the world, but a cocker spaniel fits my personality better. -snickers- I think anyone who knows both me and my dog Cookie will agree. Eh Shan, Antinua, Azzy?

My fursona is in no way a spirtual thing for me, nor do I RP her as I really can't stand Furry RP'ers. Its more like my PO with a little more meaning to me. ^_^; I really should have given more thought to K-chan but I was having "OMG Panda <3" day.

I love anthro artwork, both PG and mature. I dabble in it myself, but am not very good. My main interest is fursuiting, but I am at this time less into the performing aspect of it. I will never get involved in the mature aspects of fursuiting because A) Ewww, its kind of creepy and in no way attractive to me B) I spent 50+ hours on my first fursuit and about 300 dollars...and I will kill anyone who damages it. Evil or Very Mad

I love costuming, and making my first fursuit this summer really felt like it tested my skills. I already have the materials to begin working on a second, just a partial this time.

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Gryph
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:17 pm    Post subject:

I figured I might as well chime in, too.

I'm not really a furry, but I am a member of the furry art community. For me, it's all about the art itself. There are just some artists I really like. I don't care if they're drawing something that's furry or not. To my surprise, I discovered this kind of thinking is not new. I've seen other artists with this same mentality already. What makes it even more fascinating, is that from what I've seen, we've all been accepted pretty quickly. Many of them even seem quite happy that there are non-furries who wish to join their community.

I guess us artist-types are ahead of our time. Wink

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Al the DLOE
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject:

Shurikane wrote:
Buda wrote:
ya know, for about 5 seconds there I was thinking it might me fun to dress in a fur suit and make a compleat fool out of my self with total anonimity, but that video scared the hell out of me....
Anyway, thanks for the links fawkes ill be sure to check it out


We'll be sure to force you into A Brick costume next AWA. Very Happy

i volunteer for that. i have been mcgruff the crime dog and several other costumed ones for professional purposes. oh and sorry about the link...forgot about the alt material there. costuming is fun but todoit you need a support group. one of the coolest heads i have seen is the lion head one guy had at fwa last year with a working night vision in there

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Kugyou
Katori Shintaro!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:37 pm    Post subject:

K-chan wrote:
See I disagree with that that statement that they are independent.. Those subgroups are indeed -very- much apart of the fandom, and furry cons often have panels for those interests groups. Why? Because they became -organized- as an actual collective group within the fandom. Otherkin maybe the exception having a different origin story, but I know a few people who define themselves as Otherkin and Therian -within- the Furry fandom. Here we are once again, back to personal choice.
What I mean by "independent" is that membership in one of those subgroups is not contingent upon being a member of the furry community at large. Whereas it's difficult, if not impossible, to be a fan of, say, Gainax without being a fan of anime at large, it's easily possible to be an Otherkin, AB, zoophile, and even "suiter" (in the sense of being a mascot) without being a furry at all. Not saying that the groups don't exist within the furry community, only that their existence is not dependent on the existence of the furry community, and as such isn't defined as a necessarily "furry" group or interest.

As far as the inability to fix opinions - perhaps you're right, but sometimes it's worth the shot; there was nearly a "furry ban" at Anime Weekend Atlanta 9 because of the Vanity Fair article, which some directors had taken to heart, deciding that they didn't want AWA associated with the kind of people that were given the spotlight in that wonderful display of journalistic integrity.

Back on topic: Since I have absolutely no artistic talent, I'm going to have to depend on the Lion of the Sun for my suit's head - my fursona wears normal human clothes, so I can get away with a head, a tail, and gloves. It's still going to set me back several hundred dollars, but it'll be worth it. Still working on the plans for a control mechanism for an articulated, controllable, feline tail, though.

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FawkesFyre
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject:

Kugyou wrote:


Back on topic: Since I have absolutely no artistic talent, I'm going to have to depend on the Lion of the Sun for my suit's head - my fursona wears normal human clothes, so I can get away with a head, a tail, and gloves. It's still going to set me back several hundred dollars, but it'll be worth it. Still working on the plans for a control mechanism for an articulated, controllable, feline tail, though.


Al and Feign could help you come up with something like that. Robotics is their newest endeavor...they could also offer some advice and assistance regarding building your head...cheaper. Al already has a plan in the midst of things to build a new and improved Zaku head for AWA. to cosplay his PO.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject:

FawkesFyre wrote:
Kugyou wrote:


Back on topic: Since I have absolutely no artistic talent, I'm going to have to depend on the Lion of the Sun for my suit's head - my fursona wears normal human clothes, so I can get away with a head, a tail, and gloves. It's still going to set me back several hundred dollars, but it'll be worth it. Still working on the plans for a control mechanism for an articulated, controllable, feline tail, though.


Al and Feign could help you come up with something like that. Robotics is their newest endeavor...they could also offer some advice and assistance regarding building your head...cheaper. Al already has a plan in the midst of things to build a new and improved Zaku head for AWA. to cosplay his PO.
got the servos,switches and controlers...just need time....wait spring break is next week...hmm my other project is the Dalek... i wonder if i could make a "living" one inside it

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